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#2514203 29-Jun-2020 07:38

lxsw20:

Bootcamp is dead. I think there is an ARM version of W10 so you may be able to run it on Fusion or Parallels.

heh oops lol i'm behind with the times.

the writing was on the wall when the iphone benchmarks higher in all aspects vs laptops

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#2514280 29-Jun-2020 10:28

Love, love, love the idea of better laptop battery life. My 11" MacBook Air already has just about all day battery life, but could do with an upgrade at some point.

In regards to Mac apps on iPad - an interesting possbility. Traditionally Apple have kept the products separate claiming they do different things well. I remember Steve Jobs saying touchscreen laptops just don't work for example. But the product lines have been getting more and more converged as of late, and a switch to ARM and Catalyst only pushes this further. Agree the MacBook Air is the likely candidate to go if a product was to be cut.

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#2514535 29-Jun-2020 15:53

I'm very sad. I might have to ditch windows. I need light and low power and all day battery life. This will be the death of Windows.

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#2514627 29-Jun-2020 16:30

Batman: I'm very sad. I might have to ditch windows. I need light and low power and all day battery life. This will be the death of Windows.

Maybe it will be the death of Windows for you, but given Apple's market share of about 10% it's unlikely to affect Windows / MS much.

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#2514631 29-Jun-2020 16:36

antonknee:

Love, love, love the idea of better laptop battery life. My 11" MacBook Air already has just about all day battery life, but could do with an upgrade at some point.

In regards to Mac apps on iPad - an interesting possbility. Traditionally Apple have kept the products separate claiming they do different things well. I remember Steve Jobs saying touchscreen laptops just don't work for example. But the product lines have been getting more and more converged as of late, and a switch to ARM and Catalyst only pushes this further. Agree the MacBook Air is the likely candidate to go if a product was to be cut.

I remember talking to an Apple employee off the record and he said "we'll never merge the Mac/iPad lines - NEVER"...I'd say maybe he was a little TOO emphatic.

And the company is very different now to how it was 3 or 5 years ago.

MacOS and iOS apps on both platforms would be a dream, but the question would need to be asked...would it dilute the offerings too much for there to be buyers of both an iPad Pro and a MacBook Air, for example?

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#2514637 29-Jun-2020 16:46

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antonknee:

Love, love, love the idea of better laptop battery life. My 11" MacBook Air already has just about all day battery life, but could do with an upgrade at some point.

In regards to Mac apps on iPad - an interesting possbility. Traditionally Apple have kept the products separate claiming they do different things well. I remember Steve Jobs saying touchscreen laptops just don't work for example. But the product lines have been getting more and more converged as of late, and a switch to ARM and Catalyst only pushes this further. Agree the MacBook Air is the likely candidate to go if a product was to be cut.

I remember talking to an Apple employee off the record and he said "we'll never merge the Mac/iPad lines - NEVER"...I'd say maybe he was a little TOO emphatic.

And the company is very different now to how it was 3 or 5 years ago.

MacOS and iOS apps on both platforms would be a dream, but the question would need to be asked...would it dilute the offerings too much for there to be buyers of both an iPad Pro and a MacBook Air, for example?

Apple also advertised that you didn't need a phone screen bigger than could be reached by the thumb in the hand holding the phone but look at the size of apple phone screens now. Who can blame them for such a statement, after all, who has never changed their mind?

The company does seem different since Jobs, somehow it seems to have lost direction. I say that as a non-apple buyer - it seems they are becoming a 'me too' company rather than coming out with bold new products.

From what I see in apple buyers, no matter the product cross over there will be those who buy one of everything on offer.

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#2514639 29-Jun-2020 16:48

Handsomedan:

I remember talking to an Apple employee off the record and he said "we'll never merge the Mac/iPad lines - NEVER"...I'd say maybe he was a little TOO emphatic.

And the company is very different now to how it was 3 or 5 years ago.

MacOS and iOS apps on both platforms would be a dream, but the question would need to be asked...would it dilute the offerings too much for there to be buyers of both an iPad Pro and a MacBook Air, for example?

A few years ago I used to own an iPhone, an iPad and a Macbook Pro. I eventually decided that it was a waste of money to have all three, especially with iPhones getting bigger and Mac laptops getting smaller.

When I eventually replace my current Macbook Pro I will have to decide whether to buy another one, or whether to get an iPad Pro + magic keyboard instead. I think I will probably stick with the Macbook Pro as it works out to be about the same price, and I like having Time Machine as well as the fact that Applecare lasts for 3 years on the Mac versus 2 years on the iPad. Either device would cover my needs though.

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#2514685 29-Jun-2020 18:02

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Batman: I'm very sad. I might have to ditch windows. I need light and low power and all day battery life. This will be the death of Windows.

Maybe it will be the death of Windows for you, but given Apple's market share of about 10% it's unlikely to affect Windows / MS much.

I feel a lot better now. So maybe it's time the 90% got A in G and give me my super fast all day battery life 14" 800g laptop ... in Windows! I can wait ... I've waited the best part of half a century ... will have to wait out the whole century to get there presumably ...

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#2514861 30-Jun-2020 02:07

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The company does seem different since Jobs, somehow it seems to have lost direction. I say that as a non-apple buyer - it seems they are becoming a 'me too' company rather than coming out with bold new products.

From what I see in apple buyers, no matter the product cross over there will be those who buy one of everything on offer.

There are more than just fanboys that buy Apple products. And just fairly recently they have had great success with the Apple Watch and Airpods. I don't see any reason to think they have lost their ways - but then you would probably call me a fanboy.

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#2514866 30-Jun-2020 04:53

jarledb:

There are more than just fanboys that buy Apple products.

We are 99.9% Mac at work, all but the most dedicated few devs that choose their own linux setup. Works well for us.

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#2514882 30-Jun-2020 08:37

lxsw20:

jarledb:

There are more than just fanboys that buy Apple products.

We are 99.9% Mac at work, all but the most dedicated few devs that choose their own linux setup. Works well for us.

I wish I could use a Mac at work. I dislike computers generally but I manage okay with using my Mac at home, whereas my Windows computer at work is a real struggle for me.

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#2514896 30-Jun-2020 09:14

alasta:

I wish I could use a Mac at work. I dislike computers generally but I manage okay with using my Mac at home, whereas my Windows computer at work is a real struggle for me.

I know it's straying to off-topic, but I think it's relevant...

I use Windows for work and Apple at home.

I am happy with both, but I have to say, my 9 year old iMac is still going strong, where I never had a Windows machine that was capable of lasting beyond maybe 3-5 years and would be treacle-slow by that age.

I do wonder if the ARM chipsets will do anything to the longevity of Macs...as in shorten their lifespan to less than 10 years?

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#2514918 30-Jun-2020 09:53

Handsomedan:

I am happy with both, but I have to say, my 9 year old iMac is still going strong, where I never had a Windows machine that was capable of lasting beyond maybe 3-5 years and would be treacle-slow by that age.

I do wonder if the ARM chipsets will do anything to the longevity of Macs...as in shorten their lifespan to less than 10 years?

Windows 10 seems to stay fairly fast, it's much better than older versions. Not sure how old my W10 install is, but from about whenever W10 was originally released.

Unsure how an ARM chipset could affect longevity? It should work basically the same as Apple / PC.

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#2514923 30-Jun-2020 10:02

Here an interesting test bench article just out:

Apple's A12Z Under Rosetta Outperforms Microsoft's Native Arm-Based Surface Pro X

The first comment I read after the article:

This is absolutely hilarious. It’s running a 2 year old iPad processor, underclocked, under emulation, with only half its cores running, and it beats the Surface running native code.

The A14 gen Apple processor enabled Macs are going to be absolute beasts.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2514925 30-Jun-2020 10:10

Handsomedan:

I am happy with both, but I have to say, my 9 year old iMac is still going strong, where I never had a Windows machine that was capable of lasting beyond maybe 3-5 years and would be treacle-slow by that age.

Improperly written apps cause a lot of problems. A clean install is often the solution. I still frequently use a 12 year old core2 quad and it's quite usable.

My colleague received a replacement imac recently and that was welcomely received due to the slow down in his 5 year old unit.

I still have questions about how this new processor will both save power and keep up the FLOPs. How many cores and whats the manufacturing process ?

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