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#2731 11-Nov-2004 11:18
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There is so much spread over different threads about the 6255i I thought I'd start one!

Phones for NZ. My mate on 021 just got the 7610. Pretty fancy piece of equipment! It was still charging so didn't get a chance to play with it.


Looks like Nokia think they are bringing the 6255 here see link: Phones for New Zealand

http://www.nokia.com.au/nokia/0,,61596,00.html (pity the link goes to the wrong phone??)

Bring it out for Xmas Telecom, Like to have play with it over Xmas get it all go for work next year!!

The secrets out and we are not buying your current models in anticipation so

BRING IT ON TELECOM!!!!

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  #10145 12-Nov-2004 10:36
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You wont force them through any quicker. They need to take the time in PTC testing to ensure that you get a good quality handset that works properly :-)









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#10211 15-Nov-2004 15:43
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Bring it on Telecom was a bit tounge in cheek!!

I heard 2day from one of the local shop guys that he didn't think the 6255 was anywhere near coming out as he didn't have it on his up and coming list and if it wasn't there, he thought it would be a least 5 or more months B4 we would see it.

I can wait till the new year but don't wanna wait 6 or so months for a new phone. I'm goin to commit for a couple of years so I'll be stuck if I grab the say 7400 and the 6255 comes out a month later.

Any more wispers out there please!!!

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  #10213 15-Nov-2004 16:09
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Sometimes dealers dont get notice till the same week a new phone comes out. Apparently the 6255 is on track for Feb(ish).

Y not take a 7400 on open term (probably $449), then when the 6255 comes out in Feb, if you like it better, you will still get around $360 - $420 for the 7400 on trademe, then take the 6255 on a contract. You shouldnt lose much at all doing that









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  #10221 15-Nov-2004 22:06
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Hey thanks a bunch for the reply.

If I know or have a good idea that the 6255 is coming out in feb(ish) I can wait as my present phone is going fine I just want want want!!

But your Idea ia a good one about the 7400 if I get desperate. I might do it, but a bit of self control won't hurt me.

The urgency B4 was that I was told I had to get a new phone on going to the construction plan or miss out and the plan was only available to xmas. But I have found since that I can change my plan anytime and still get a discounted phone if I sign up for a two year contract later. So I have done that.

I just think the 6255 looks like a very nice (not necessarily good looking) Phone, nice big buttons for dailing an txt, Bluetooth, FM, MP3, upgradable memory, good phone book and am prepared to wait B4 signing up for a couple of years again.

Went on to Phone Scoop.com and U can do a comparison on the Sanyo 7400, Samsung A680 and the 6255. All telecoms up and coming flip phones. It lines them up side by side feature by feature damn good site!

Thanks again for the heads up on the 6255. hehe Hope I don't think its too ugly when I actually see one!!!

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#12788 14-Feb-2005 22:37
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H iif anybody is interested the Nokia 6255 should be released in early April Cost $699

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  #12801 15-Feb-2005 08:01
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yep correct but never known Telecom 2 make a release date??

Also the A680 and the sanyo 8200 this month

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#12824 15-Feb-2005 21:30
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Yes your right but all these phones have to go through testing to make sure that they are up to standard. I have it on good authority that it will be released about 15 April and believe me Telecom really want this phone to on the market , especailly being a flip.. The samsung A680 it still trying to get through testing

 
 
 

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  #12838 15-Feb-2005 23:54
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ok accepted that the phones need to be tested and ok. But I first heard the Nokia 6255i was being looked at about Oct last year surely 6 months till expected release is a bit much. Just to get the firmware upgraded or changed!!!
Just strikes me as the organisation is very cumbersome. They must loose a heck of alot of business to 021 because of phone selection!

Is the hold up with Nokia or Samsung changing the software or is it Telecom. If it was the private secter I'm pretty sure to take 1/2 of a year to get product to the market would be unacceptable. Apart from the fact that if it takes that long the manufacturer is already stopped that model and promoting their latest. The sanyo 8100 is a perfect example of that!! And the Nokia 6255i is way way down the list of new models on sites like phone scoop! Sorry but not good enough in my book.

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  #12852 16-Feb-2005 10:08
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The 6255 was commercially launched late last year, with China Unicom and Vivo I think.
I think it an insult how long it take to get devices to the local market. I am a telecom customer at the moment, with the Sanyo 7400 (which is a good phone). but time and time again we get what looks to me as if we get E.O.L handsets, or months after then hype or the excitement have died down, and the gsm version has been and about to leave the market. Where are our M.P. camera handsets? Kyocera, Sanyo, Hyundai all do them..

Roll on 6255, I will get it, if it comes out.

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#12854 16-Feb-2005 10:22
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Skyplonk what you think is unacceptable in the time it takes to approve a phone comes from a lack of understanding of the process.

Phones arrive full of bugs. For example to approve the Sanyo 7400 there was a team of 5 Sanyo engineers at Telecom for 5 months. All carriers have different systems for example Telecom have a WAP gateway from Openwave and MMSC from Lightsurf. The phones need to work with all the systems otherwise you would end up with a crippled phone.

Try being on the testing side for a while and you would start to appreciate how enormous, frustrating and resource/time intensive the whole process is. If you want all the whizz bang features then you need to wait.

I find it insulting that you think Telecom are deliberately holding up the process! NZ was one of the first CDMA markets in the world to have the Harrier and AirCard 580 - now that is innovation.

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#12855 16-Feb-2005 10:40
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I agree with Jama... I work for an organisation where we follow strict testing procedures to release our integration products. I actually work with TNZ in some projects, and we have rounds of unit testing, integration testing, system testing, acceptance testing and sometimes even a second system testing round.

A mobile phone launch is no different of an integration system, and sometimes testing can be as high as 50% of a project.




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  #12859 16-Feb-2005 13:30
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OOh wee!! settle down boys!!

Maybe the choice of the word "insulting' in both your posts was a bit strong.

Looks like the problems are more with the phones rather than Telecom if Sanyo had 5 techs here for 5 months ( boy there must be good mark up in phones to support that).

As I have stated B4 Last year (Sept or so) I went shopping for a new phone. I liked the 8100. I went to check the stats on the 8100 and found it was already in the old phones list on the Sanyo site that started me looking for newer models. I then found phones with speakers, Mp3, 1 megapix cameras, flashes, PTT, mmc cards, FM radio, Bluetooth, torchs, larger phone books etc etc. When the old 8100 was the best you could buy here it seemed so far behind it wasn't funny!!

I didn't want to sign up for a phone for 2 years to find it was so outa date in 3 months and it wasn't worth getting. I wanted the best featured phone to carry me through till I was out of contract again. Looks like the 6255i will do that. So we are only wanting these phones quickly for valid reasons!

Also you guys have got to realise that from the layman or customers point of view it does seem to take forever to get the phones to the market. The worlds a small place now and we log on and expect to see the latest models here not to long after the world has got them.

There is misunderstanding but 021 seems to chuck any old gsm phone ( parrallel imported or not) on their network and they work mostly.

Is CDMA a better network but harder for phones to connect to??
Is that why most of the manufacturers produce more GSM phones??
Did Telecom Choose CDMA because they new they would have a captive CDMA market??
Is cdma really better when in Lake Rotoiti ( Rotorua) and Tuaranga bay (Far North) there is no reception on Telcom. My firends (who are High users) are on 021 because there is no Telecom recption at their beach homes. And they laugh at me still on Telecom!!

There just seems to be alot of questions and no answers from a company that is making millions and has slack phones and less coverage.

They have 2 great things in their favour at the moment that keeps me there. $10-00 txt for my kids and good discounts on phones when you resign.

Jeepers just wrote a book!!

cya gotta work late now!!!



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  #12862 16-Feb-2005 13:58
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Reckless of course you are going to get an emotive response with comments like

'There just seems to be alot of questions and no answers from a company that is making millions and has slack phones and less coverage.'

Telecom actually has greater coverage than Voda. Slack phones - whatever. You are comparing Voda - 160M customers with Telecom - 1.5M customers. That is - Telecom have 1% the customers of Voda global. Big difference and Voda make billions.....

You have questions - it is not that difficult to get answers:

Is CDMA a better network but harder for phones to connect to??
- Better technology than GSM hence Voda 3GSM is WCDMA

Is that why most of the manufacturers produce more GSM phones??
- Volume and economics 101. More GSM users

Did Telecom Choose CDMA because they new they would have a captive CDMA market??
- It was the most natural upgrade path from TDMA (025) uses the same spectrum

Is cdma really better when in Lake Rotoiti ( Rotorua) and Tuaranga bay (Far North) there is no reception on Telcom. My firends (who are High users) are on 021 because there is no Telecom recption at their beach homes. And they laugh at me still on Telecom!!
- There are holes in coverage on both networks. CDMA has greater coverage from a cell site over GSM and Telecom have more cell sites.






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  #12865 16-Feb-2005 14:57
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NZ is behind in most of the tech sectors. Broaden your view to include PCs, TVs etc and also look at what services you can pick up in USA: 20 Mb/s dedicated connection to your home which carries your Hi def TV on demand, (watch what you want when you want) phone, broadband... then you start to realise that we are in the dark ages.

Until we have more service providers in the country, we are always going to be playing catch up. And the likelyhood of someone wanting to spend the money required on a roll out to capture NZ's tiny market is very slim.

I think it is unfair to pick just the CDMA cellphones and say 'telecom is so far behind'.

As said previously, GSM has a huge market and is more or less standardised from country to country, so of course voda can release their handsets immediately they are available. But I sense a little BETA/VHS going on. Voda spend so much on their marketing...

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  #12866 16-Feb-2005 15:16
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jase250

I don't think we are stuck that far in the 'dark ages'

I have a 500Kbps mobile data connection - in fact today I was getting 900Kbps! That is way faster than what you would get in Europe or a lot of other parts of the world. Overall NZ also have exceptional cell phone coverage between the various networks. Then you have Woosh with their wireless broadband, CityLink with WiFi and Voda using NZ for one of the first HSDPA network trials, DSL to 90% odd of the population, etc. Add that all up it looks quite good I think.

Don't forget it wasn't that long ago in the US that you couldn't take your cell phone interstate in other words you couldn't roam from California to Texas!

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