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#1733677 9-Mar-2017 13:43

johcar:

Maxcat:

As an aside, one thing I thought would be a cool solution is for NETFLIX to take TIVO over Downunder.

It then becomes the conduit for NETFLIX (where CASPA used to be) and every TIVO becomes a NETFLIX box here and in Australia.

In time it would become the most watched channel on TIVO.

Maybe.

Most modern Smart TVs have the Netflix app installed anyway. But it could be a way for someone to make some money (and keep TiVo going) until things change again and people stop watching FTA TV altogether.

This is not too far off, in my case.

Unless TiVo can be given a new lease of life, come 1 November, my choice is MySKY + at $20 a month (not keen), or just Netflix (which I already subscribe to), Lightbox (which I already get from my ISP) and YouTube (which is free, but with relatively cheap subscription options for an ad-free experience) - plus whatever other online content I can find...

On the other hand I would pay a small monthly amount for my TiVo to keep working as it does today - or even enhanced, like FetchTV or US TiVo...

Was reading on Ozzy forum today and if you want the discounted FetchTV box you have to take in your on TiVo box to Harvey Norman at the same time and swap them over. Wonder if Hybrids trying to get rid on the old DVRs just in case someone else takes over the license??

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#1733692 9-Mar-2017 14:06

old3eyes:

johcar:

Maxcat:

As an aside, one thing I thought would be a cool solution is for NETFLIX to take TIVO over Downunder.

It then becomes the conduit for NETFLIX (where CASPA used to be) and every TIVO becomes a NETFLIX box here and in Australia.

In time it would become the most watched channel on TIVO.

Maybe.

Most modern Smart TVs have the Netflix app installed anyway. But it could be a way for someone to make some money (and keep TiVo going) until things change again and people stop watching FTA TV altogether.

This is not too far off, in my case.

Unless TiVo can be given a new lease of life, come 1 November, my choice is MySKY + at $20 a month (not keen), or just Netflix (which I already subscribe to), Lightbox (which I already get from my ISP) and YouTube (which is free, but with relatively cheap subscription options for an ad-free experience) - plus whatever other online content I can find...

On the other hand I would pay a small monthly amount for my TiVo to keep working as it does today - or even enhanced, like FetchTV or US TiVo...

Was reading on Ozzy forum today and if you want the discounted FetchTV box you have to take in your on TiVo box to Harvey Norman at the same time and swap them over. Wonder if Hybrids trying to get rid on the old DVRs just in case someone else takes over the license??

I suspect it's just a proof-of-eligibility thing...

HybridTV are dead in the water, so they won't care.

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#1733693 9-Mar-2017 14:08

old3eyes:

johcar:

Maxcat:

As an aside, one thing I thought would be a cool solution is for NETFLIX to take TIVO over Downunder.

It then becomes the conduit for NETFLIX (where CASPA used to be) and every TIVO becomes a NETFLIX box here and in Australia.

In time it would become the most watched channel on TIVO.

Maybe.

Most modern Smart TVs have the Netflix app installed anyway. But it could be a way for someone to make some money (and keep TiVo going) until things change again and people stop watching FTA TV altogether.

This is not too far off, in my case.

Unless TiVo can be given a new lease of life, come 1 November, my choice is MySKY + at $20 a month (not keen), or just Netflix (which I already subscribe to), Lightbox (which I already get from my ISP) and YouTube (which is free, but with relatively cheap subscription options for an ad-free experience) - plus whatever other online content I can find...

On the other hand I would pay a small monthly amount for my TiVo to keep working as it does today - or even enhanced, like FetchTV or US TiVo...

Was reading on Ozzy forum today and if you want the discounted FetchTV box you have to take in your on TiVo box to Harvey Norman at the same time and swap them over. Wonder if Hybrids trying to get rid on the old DVRs just in case someone else takes over the license??

What would be in it for them though to do this? I think it is just providing a free way of disposing them as a courtesy, as some companies charge $25 to dispose of a computer box like this.

It is interesting from the Whirlpool forums that there are quite a lot of people affected. But the free discount offer looks to have helped some. But wonder why tivo are on that forum, including Dan, when they aren't participating here. Dan was previously on here as he has a profile and some previous posts.

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#1733707 9-Mar-2017 14:22

The more I think about this, the more I believe that there is zero chance that Tivo / Hybrid / whoever will let their service be revived by a 3rd party. They don't have any commercials to make or lose, but the are losing control of their brand. Surely a decision was made by Tivo USA to pull out and I expect there's no changing that.

IMHO it's a case of hack it, and go it alone, or move on.

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#1733727 9-Mar-2017 14:33

Looking at the TiVo annual report that TiVo is alive and well around the rest of the world"

Approximately 23 million subscriber households around the world use TiVo’s advanced television experiences.
Virgin Media in the UK launched a 4K Ultra HD set-top box platform including VOD functionality powered by TiVo.
Panasonic Corporation, one of the world’s top consumer electronics manufacturers, signed a multi-year extension for the Japan market that includes G-Guide, G-Guide HTML and G-Guide xD.
Rogers, a leading service provider in Canada, deployed Passport 7.
A leading broadband provider plans to launch TiVo’s innovative new flexible STB software that enables a single low-cost STB to be deployed either as a stand-alone Cable STB, as a client to an in-home DVR, or as a full IPTV client.
Astra Telekom, a privately-held Serbian telecom operator, will use Cubiware’s middleware solutions to provide enhanced IPTV services to customers throughout Serbia.
Reliance Jio Media Pvt. Ltd. selected TiVo’s CubiTV to power advanced entertainment experiences for subscribers in India.
A leading developer of smart TV remote apps licensed TiVo’s metadata for smartphones and tablets.
A leading streaming music service provider added TiVo’s artist images.

TiVo-Corporation-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-2016-Full

The Whirlpool forums are interesting read

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#1733747 9-Mar-2017 15:00

old3eyes:

Looking at the TiVo annual report that TiVo is alive and well around the rest of the world"

Approximately 23 million subscriber households around the world use TiVo’s advanced television experiences.
Virgin Media in the UK launched a 4K Ultra HD set-top box platform including VOD functionality powered by TiVo.
Panasonic Corporation, one of the world’s top consumer electronics manufacturers, signed a multi-year extension for the Japan market that includes G-Guide, G-Guide HTML and G-Guide xD.
Rogers, a leading service provider in Canada, deployed Passport 7.
A leading broadband provider plans to launch TiVo’s innovative new flexible STB software that enables a single low-cost STB to be deployed either as a stand-alone Cable STB, as a client to an in-home DVR, or as a full IPTV client.
Astra Telekom, a privately-held Serbian telecom operator, will use Cubiware’s middleware solutions to provide enhanced IPTV services to customers throughout Serbia.
Reliance Jio Media Pvt. Ltd. selected TiVo’s CubiTV to power advanced entertainment experiences for subscribers in India.
A leading developer of smart TV remote apps licensed TiVo’s metadata for smartphones and tablets.
A leading streaming music service provider added TiVo’s artist images.
TiVo-Corporation-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-2016-Full

The Whirlpool forums are interesting read

How does TIVO make money? Here, the PPV part, CASPA, seemed to never really get off the ground. Is Sky at half market share, and the various SVOD, meaning that to provide a free to air STB just isnt worth it? There has been no marketing here for years, as if it was released, never took off, so was left to rot. The link I gave earlier stated sales were 2000 for release, so given proce drops and telco sales, it can't be much. Maybe TIVO should have pushed it more. How many got one because they wanted one, and not because it was offered on a telco deal? Probably very few

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#1733749 9-Mar-2017 15:12

tdgeek:

How does TIVO make money? Here, the PPV part, CASPA, seemed to never really get off the ground. Is Sky at half market share, and the various SVOD, meaning that to provide a free to air STB just isnt worth it? There has been no marketing here for years, as if it was released, never took off, so was left to rot. The link I gave earlier stated sales were 2000 for release, so given proce drops and telco sales, it can't be much. Maybe TIVO should have pushed it more. How many got one because they wanted one, and not because it was offered on a telco deal? Probably very few

TiVo makes money from licensing providers and also from providing a subscription service to end-users (like Sky)

CASPA failed to fire here in NZ because it was an idea before its time - crappy internet speeds, low data caps and very limited SD content. The UI was nothing to write home about either. Quickflix, its replacement, suffered pretty much the same fate - limited content, same UI.

I wonder how TiVo US expected success downunder, since we were never offered the subscription service, or technology upgrade path....

I wonder whether the US had a load of Series 3 devices they needed to dump somewhere and saw an opportunity to make a few fast bucks by supplying a small market and running away without having any plans to maintain their tiny market in the South Pacific....

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#1733765 9-Mar-2017 15:32

johcar:

TiVo makes money from licensing providers and also from providing a subscription service to end-users (like Sky)

Yep. I meant here in NZ as it was a free service. They must have relied on PPV, and that failed. Its probably as simple as that, never caught on, and as you say NZ wasn't ready for that form of PPV

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#1733769 9-Mar-2017 15:35

tdgeek:

Yep. I meant here in NZ as it was a free service. They must have relied on PPV, and that failed. Its probably as simple as that, never caught on, and as you say NZ wasn't ready for that form of PPV

Someone didn't validate the business plan! :D

Big plans that didn't come off, perhaps....

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#1733772 9-Mar-2017 15:48

How do you get refunds from your CASPA wallet? I have clicked cash out now in two different browsers, the page refreshes and nothing happens.

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#1733874 9-Mar-2017 17:39

semigeek:

How do you get refunds from your CASPA wallet? I have clicked cash out now in two different browsers, the page refreshes and nothing happens.

Way back on Page 22 was this post:

mesak:

hello all,

just an update. I have received reply from TiVo and they acknowledged issues with refund form on their website and this apparently has been fixed. I haven't had time to get around it and actually request refund however the email address I used to contact them is support@mytivo.com.au (hope this helps)

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#1733917 9-Mar-2017 19:40

Hi All,

Not sure why someone else hasn't mentioned it yet, but how is everyones experience with the "extended pvr" on a samsung TV?

Is this a replacement, or "just as good" as the Panasonic pvr?

Thanks

Mike

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#1733931 9-Mar-2017 19:56

Is there any benefit in asking Freeview, who run the EPG, to provide a grid option? That appears to me to be the main issue with Tivo, it had a grid layout, as Sky does. That would appear to be the easiest means to improve the UI.

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#1733942 9-Mar-2017 20:07

The thing that gets me is people saying Hybrid should open it up to people.

Hybrid don't have the rights to open it up, only TiVo do.

And considering the US still has TiVo, the chances of them opening it up are SFA.

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#1733943 9-Mar-2017 20:10

johcar:

tdgeek:

How does TIVO make money? Here, the PPV part, CASPA, seemed to never really get off the ground. Is Sky at half market share, and the various SVOD, meaning that to provide a free to air STB just isnt worth it? There has been no marketing here for years, as if it was released, never took off, so was left to rot. The link I gave earlier stated sales were 2000 for release, so given proce drops and telco sales, it can't be much. Maybe TIVO should have pushed it more. How many got one because they wanted one, and not because it was offered on a telco deal? Probably very few

TiVo makes money from licensing providers and also from providing a subscription service to end-users (like Sky)

CASPA failed to fire here in NZ because it was an idea before its time - crappy internet speeds, low data caps and very limited SD content. The UI was nothing to write home about either. Quickflix, its replacement, suffered pretty much the same fate - limited content, same UI.

I wonder how TiVo US expected success downunder, since we were never offered the subscription service, or technology upgrade path....

I wonder whether the US had a load of Series 3 devices they needed to dump somewhere and saw an opportunity to make a few fast bucks by supplying a small market and running away without having any plans to maintain their tiny market in the South Pacific....

Other Tivo boxes also have these 'lifetime licenses' too, which lasts for the life of the box. These boxes tend to be a lot more expensive to buy, than ones with monthly subscriptions, which I presume is why these boxes were originally so expensive in NZ. eg When you pay over 900 for such a device, you don't then expect to have to pay a subscription, for what is already free tv. In Tivo US's terms, they do make mention the lifetime license, this along with the note that it is not for the life of the person, only the box. This is how it was advertised by Tivo Oz/NZ as well in their youtube video, where the EPG would last for the life of the box.

What is odd is that on the whirlpool Oz forums they mention that tivo always only had a 10 year license. However Tivo Dan said on here only a couple of years ago, that there were no plans for the EPG to cease being supported. However if they only had a 10 year license agreement, then they would have always known that it would end in Oct 2017. So they also shouldn't have ever advertised the EPG lasting for the life of the box.

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