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AlphaAlfalfaSprout

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#324655 8-May-2026 21:09
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I used to look at these "frameless" showers and think how great they must be for cleaning. After experiencing 4 of them, including the one in the house I just bought, I don't understand how anyone ever thought this was a good idea. Yes, they look better. Yes, they are easy to clean.* What ruins all that is having to shower in a constant state of vigilance, watching for the dreaded stream of water snaking across the tiles on the other side of the glass.

 

"The Acclaim is a frameless glass shower, if the shower rose is pointed directly at the door, water leakage will occur." -Newline, designer of idiotic showers.

 

I can live with not being able to point the rose at the door (*although it was very convenient to be able to hose away the spray residue from the doors of my old shower while cleaning it). The problem is that aiming the showerhead at it is not the only potential scenario in which a stream of water might be directed toward a shower door. Human elbows, for example, have a tendency to concentrate and direct a stream of water doorward.

 

The sold-separately "acrylic seal packages" listed on Newline's site would seem to be a tacit admission that leaving OPEN GAPS around a shower door was perhaps not the smartest design choice. My shower has had these so-called seals retrofitted, but this band-aid solution, applied to a door system that was not designed with them in mind, does not eliminate leaking. In fact, it seems to exacerbate it under some circumstances. The bottom of the door has a thoroughly impotent sort of 'reverse flashing' that seems to encourage water out of the shower via capillary action.

 

I hated my 2010 framed shower when I had it. I had to completely remove the slider doors just to be able to clean sludge out of the roller tracks. But the whole time I was taking for granted the bliss of being able to shower without caring in which direction the water was going. I find myself wishing I still had that old shower.

 

Is there a sweet spot, a shower design that is both easy to clean and watertight?


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batdan
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  #3488952 8-May-2026 21:19
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Sliding or hinged door?

 

I have one of these, sliding door, and no leak issues.

 

As long as your walls are square before install should be fine.

 

https://englefield.co.nz/evora-frameless-corner-sliding-shower-1200-x-900mm/ 




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  #3488981 8-May-2026 23:20
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If hinged it would depend if you have the water hitting the joint in the door. Otherwise there should be minimal of any leakage. They should also have a clear seal on the jam side


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  #3489036 9-May-2026 02:32
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Plastic showers in general I hate with an absolute passion.
Ours is leaking again, which is a 4-5 yearly event in our house, despite having it professionally replaced. 
The corner design is fundamentally are flawed and access isn’t easy in our smaller bathroom to repair each time. 
Buying a brand name isn’t a guarantee of success either.

 

 




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  #3489048 9-May-2026 08:44
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batdan:

 

Sliding or hinged door?

 

I have one of these, sliding door, and no leak issues.

 

As long as your walls are square before install should be fine.

 

https://englefield.co.nz/evora-frameless-corner-sliding-shower-1200-x-900mm/ 

 

 

same it’s great but the straight one

 

https://englefield.co.nz/evora-frameless-alcove-sliding-shower-1200-x-900mm/


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  #3489174 9-May-2026 13:13
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Yeah, been in some quite fancy bathrooms that end up with rivulets crossing the floor if you're careful and flood with those who take no care. All about the magazine look and impractical in actual use, especially when it's mixed with toilets and sinks where everything ends up damp. Our shower at home is one room with the wet side being about 3m square so you have plenty of space with fixed glass panels either side of an entrance of about 1m in width and a low partition to step over, it doesn't need a door or curtain as the spray doesn't reach the dry side, I can't abide the whole floor being a wet area. If it was a more compact space you could have a staggered entrance.


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  #3490039 12-May-2026 08:54
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I've found most showers will leak if you hose the door or the gap around it enough.  Our current house has a frameless shower in the ensuite.  About one inch out from the bottom of the shower door gets wet, when I shower.  Not when my wife does.  I think this is due to different shower head heights.  That's what the bathmat, drying rack and active ventilation are for.

 

The downside of framed showers is many nooks and crannies for gunk to accumulate in and slime to grow in.  Frameless showers are comparatively easy to clean.

 

 





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  #3490135 12-May-2026 14:26
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LOL - while I am reading this we are getting a new framed shower fitted 🚿 as the 26yr old acrylic tray had cracked. 

 

When we bought the place in 2014 noticed bogginess bottom left wall hinge area in the plasterboard around skirting board area outside of shower. I patched it up. On tearing out this old shower, yep bad silicon barrier of acrylic wall to tray lip and the mixer and hose outlet had a very-very small leak. Plaster board was not bathroom grade. Wall battens were fine, just.





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  #3490138 12-May-2026 14:45
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FineWine:

 

LOL - while I am reading this we are getting a new framed shower fitted 🚿 as the 26yr old acrylic tray had cracked. 

 

When we bought the place in 2014 noticed bogginess bottom left wall hinge area in the plasterboard around skirting board area outside of shower. I patched it up. On tearing out this old shower, yep bad silicon barrier of acrylic wall to tray lip and the mixer and hose outlet had a very-very small leak. Plaster board was not bathroom grade. Wall battens were fine, just.

 

 

Probably legal when it was built.

 

We've recently designed tiled showers for a new build ... LVL framing at 400 centres, cement board cladding (except ceiling) with s/s srews at 150mm centres, waterproof membrane and tray.  And that's with a concrete floor.





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  #3490146 12-May-2026 15:19
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FineWine:

 

bad silicon barrier of acrylic wall to tray lip 

 



This part is insane to me that you can sell a product strong all around but so heavily reliant on a silicone bond that inherently will fail.

I see every single one of these white plastic showers as a ticking time bomb in that area, and the design is just not good enough in those corner joints.

I'd far rather something where the wall lining sits into a base that was raised right around the outside, where the only place any leaking water could ever go is back into the shower tray and drain.  May not look as modern and sleek, but I'd trade that any day for not having to revisit this piece of s every 5 years, and the damage and mould created every time it inevitably fails again, regardless of the quality and experience of the professional tradesperson installing it. 


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  #3490149 12-May-2026 15:35
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Jaxson:

This part is insane to me that you can sell a product strong all around but so heavily reliant on a silicone bond that inherently will fail.

I see every single one of these white plastic showers as a ticking time bomb in that area, and the design is just not good enough in those corner joints.

I'd far rather something where the wall lining sits into a base that was raised right around the outside, where the only place any leaking water could ever go is back into the shower tray and drain.  May not look as modern and sleek, but I'd trade that any day for not having to revisit this piece of s every 5 years, and the damage and mould created every time it inevitably fails again, regardless of the quality and experience of the professional tradesperson installing it. 

 

 

What you seem to be describing is how they're designed now.

 

It's not a white plastic shower issue. Modern acrylic showers are far safer than tiled. They aren't supposed to rely on silicone for sealing and no silicone should be visible around the join. The wall plastic sits over the base with a capillary break so no waster can get sucked up behind the wall plastic... assuming it's installed properly! and therein lies the rub.


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  #3490153 12-May-2026 15:57
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AlphaAlfalfaSprout:

 

Modern acrylic showers are far safer than tiled. 

 

 

Definitely safer then tiles.  Fugly, though.   I've yet to see one that I like.  I'll never buy a house with shower tiles over a wooden floor again, if I can help it.  I'd happily build that way, because I can ensure it's done correctly.





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  #3490162 12-May-2026 16:11
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AlphaAlfalfaSprout:

 

 

 

What you seem to be describing is how they're designed now.

 

It's not a white plastic shower issue. Modern acrylic showers are far safer than tiled. They aren't supposed to rely on silicone for sealing and no silicone should be visible around the join. The wall plastic sits over the base with a capillary break so no waster can get sucked up behind the wall plastic... assuming it's installed properly! and therein lies the rub.

 

 

Englefield installation instructions detail sealing wall liner to base upstand with Sikaseal NG not a capillary break. Do you have an example with a break?


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  #3490279 12-May-2026 17:06
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Bung:

 

AlphaAlfalfaSprout:

 

 

 

What you seem to be describing is how they're designed now.

 

It's not a white plastic shower issue. Modern acrylic showers are far safer than tiled. They aren't supposed to rely on silicone for sealing and no silicone should be visible around the join. The wall plastic sits over the base with a capillary break so no waster can get sucked up behind the wall plastic... assuming it's installed properly! and therein lies the rub.

 

 

Englefield installation instructions detail sealing wall liner to base upstand with Sikaseal NG not a capillary break. Do you have an example with a break?

 

 

Every acrylic shower I've seen installed since the late 2010s has had this type of design, including, I'm pretty sure, Englefield. Silicone is still called for, but it's not used for the purpose of maintaining a seal to contain water. It's more of a vapour and splash barrier. Water should never be sitting against it for extended periods and the silicone should not be visible at all. The bead is positioned some distance up from the bottom edge of the of the liner and the overhang serves as the break. Example:

 

 

https://symphonyshowers.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/1-Tray-and-Liner-Instructions-ver-3-10.06.2024.pdf

 

 


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  #3490282 12-May-2026 17:34
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All this is making me nervous and procrastinating even more about choosing a new shower. Nothing wrong with our very old one with Formica walls still intact and enamel shower tray in ugly brown with three piece sliding doors in plain speckled glass, not toughened. Old design that works as it should, but ohh the ugliness.

 

I did up half the bathroom with new bench tops, salad bowl and new mixer etc and now want to attack the shower box that never leaks even if you spray water directly on the doors, because they sit in a channel at the bottom.

 

Am tempted to see if I can get a 3 sided moulded plastic insert that a plumber got made for a friend, instead of the usual plastic walls with corner seams
Anyone that comes up with a leakproof shower box and door has my vote. You get to stage where looks don’t matter as much as water tightness. 

 

Id be happy with a stainless steel seamless tray that stands slightly proud of the glass door so the water drips right into the tray no matter what. 


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  #3490283 12-May-2026 17:57
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I’ve found one that comes with the three panel glass door that drips into the shower and walls seamless. Also comes with one piece glass door but that will drip. Looks like a solid tray as well. Not pretty but practical no fuss. Will see if the real thing looks as solid as it appears. 

https://www.mico.co.nz/bathroom/shower-enclosures-components/square-acrylic-shower/symphony-aquero-alcove-shower-set-flat-wall-sliding-stacker-door-900-x-900mm-silva-s900aqasifws


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