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#1278842 8-Apr-2015 10:37

macuser:
Yabanize: 'Unlimited Internet' have given in. I hope CallPlus keep fighting it
http://torrentfreak.com/isp-pulls-vpn-service-after-geo-unblocking-legal-threats-150407/

Likely couldn't have afforded a lawsuit

I'm pretty sceptical about anything HDnet do.

I think it most likely they are just doing it (announcing the withdrawal) to get free publicity and public sympathy. I'd be pretty surprised if they actually even received a letter. They wouldn't be on the radar since they are so small and insignificant. I doubt Spark has ever even heard of them.

Also, HDnet are no stranger to shady dealings, so for them to actually comply with the C&D letter when nobody else has yet seems even more unlikely.

Alternatively, they have not bothered with caching the content from US Netflix properly, so are finding that the service is eating up far too much international bandwidth (at the prices they charge - $69 for unlimited DSL, $79 for unlimited VDSL, there is no room for much international) and so they are taking the opportunity to remove the thing that is guzzling it all up.

ddwagnz

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#1278886 8-Apr-2015 11:23

What bothers me about this whole thing is (to me anyway); The lawsuit is targeting the wrong people.
Shouldn't they be targeting the Content Makers/Distributors and not the ISP's to get lower prices if they are paying two arms and two legs for content? seems to me they are willing to continue to spend loads of money on content, on top of a lawsuit to keep it that way :S
"“We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

Benoire

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#1278889 8-Apr-2015 11:27

ddwagnz: What bothers me about this whole thing is (to me anyway); The lawsuit is targeting the wrong people.
Shouldn't they be targeting the Content Makers/Distributors and not the ISP's to get lower prices if they are paying two arms and two legs for content? seems to me they are willing to continue to spend loads of money on content, on top of a lawsuit to keep it that way :S
"“We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

Not really, they cannot target a lawsuit at the rights holders, after all those people actually OWN the content, all they can do is try to enforce their legal contracts for distribution in New Zealand. We may see something similar to what catchuptv in the UK did which was blacklist a whole raft of datacentres who where found to carry vpn services from accessing the data...

sultanoswing

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#1278896 8-Apr-2015 11:32

I guess "Unlimited Internet" is going to have to change its name to "Limited By Geoblocks Internet".

Rikkitic

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#1278908 8-Apr-2015 11:45

“We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

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NonprayingMantis

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#1278913 8-Apr-2015 11:49

Rikkitic: “We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

kind of ironic considering how many people have been clamouring for years for NZ providers to launch SVOD services. Now that they do, we decide we don't want them and would rather keep subscribing to overseas providers.

and yes, Netflix US is better than any NZ service (including Netflix NZ), but that should surprise absolutely nobody.

think about all the times people have been begging and pleading with Netflix to please please launch in NZ, and now that they do everybody goes 'meh, that sucks. We'll just use Netflix USA'.

Benoire

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#1278922 8-Apr-2015 11:54

Rikkitic: “We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

So, they stop paying considerable money for the rights... What will they show? The content rights holders ARE not giving away shows for free and so for a broadcaster to actually be a broadcaster it must broadcast something which generally involves purchasing programs. Unless you want them to purchase poorer quality content, in which case lots would complain about the quality of the content...

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macuser

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#1278941 8-Apr-2015 12:00

the BON (band of networks) is going to be sinking a lot of money in this case, as it will be used as future precedent (case law).

They will need to do a lot to separate Callplus from the parallel import copyright amendment bill (which has been reviewed many times (NZ film commission is interested in showing NZ films, not protecting international films/media in NZ)). It will need to show that Callplus is going far beyond just being a data 'mail carrier'.

Its really interesting that the content creators have not required stronger region blocking (aka require US credit card) from companies like Netflix and Hulu, which is really the easiest way to enforce the licensing agreements and prevent parallel importing, I guess they're still getting paid all right via Netflix/Hulu and Mediaworks/TVNZ/Sky are not big enough clients to need to worry about.

Unless the BON gets a positive result, they are essentially screwed because their viewers do not demand NZ programming, and they are not big enough to negotiate more favourable terms with international content providers because licensing agreements is such a small portion of the content creators income.

If this was Comcast or Time Warner making a complaint about geoblocking, content creators would enforce more effective geo-blocking policies for Netflix/Hulu immediately.

macuser

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#1278942 8-Apr-2015 12:02

NonprayingMantis:
Rikkitic: “We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

kind of ironic considering how many people have been clamouring for years for NZ providers to launch SVOD services. Now that they do, we decide we don't want them and would rather keep subscribing to overseas providers.

and yes, Netflix US is better than any NZ service (including Netflix NZ), but that should surprise absolutely nobody.

think about all the times people have been begging and pleading with Netflix to please please launch in NZ, and now that they do everybody goes 'meh, that sucks. We'll just use Netflix USA'.

The problem is that New Zealand consumers are not living inside a vacuum so they can see a better deal easy

Rikkitic

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#1278945 8-Apr-2015 12:13

Benoire:
Rikkitic: “We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

So, they stop paying considerable money for the rights... What will they show? The content rights holders ARE not giving away shows for free and so for a broadcaster to actually be a broadcaster it must broadcast something which generally involves purchasing programs. Unless you want them to purchase poorer quality content, in which case lots would complain about the quality of the content...

How about they try producing content of their own with a local emphasis instead of trying to be a province of America? New Zealand is certainly capable of this and many excellent little programs have come out of this country, like Hunger for the Wild and Country Calendar and many others. Unfortunately intelligent and thoughtful local productions tent to get overwhelmed by the volume of overseas crap, a lot like people forgetting what real food tastes like when they are constantly bombarded by junk food palaces.

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#1278946 8-Apr-2015 12:15

Bypass solutions has published the letter on their blog.

https://bypass.net.nz/blog/post/08_Apr_2015_press_release_skytvmediaworkstvnzlightbox_stamp_on_nz

NonprayingMantis

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#1278952 8-Apr-2015 12:25

Sounddude: Bypass solutions has published the letter on their blog.

https://bypass.net.nz/blog/post/08_Apr_2015_press_release_skytvmediaworkstvnzlightbox_stamp_on_nz

guess unlimitedinternet did receive a letter.

Interesting that they believe that bypass provides global mode to MyRepublic. I understood that was not the case, and that Myrepublic had their own 'thing' (albeit virtually identical)

DickDastardly

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#1278962 8-Apr-2015 12:29

It does sound like these big 4 throwing their toys out of their prams and having a bit of a sulk.

I hope they aren't successful with their challenge to stop the ISP Global Modes....more choice for the customer without paying the earth for something would be every New Zealanders preference I suspect - although a view not "The Darkside" represented by Sky, TVNZ, Lightbox etc.

Give customers the content they want, quality programming that isn't mindless reality, cookery, home renovation, rubbish talent shows etc - stop dropping series half way through, Sky - your too expensive with all your extra's, HD ticket, Soho etc etc and you don't have enough HD content!

Face it "The Darkside" times they are a-changin' and this latest threatening letter seems a bit of a last ditch attempt at saving face and your "comfortable" audience/subscribers. Technology is going to bring a lot of changes to the way we watch and subscribe to our media - and unless The Darkside go with it - they will loose viewers/subscribers and that will kinda be their own fault.....

People will ALWAYS find ways to get the content they want....Its how the NZ media providers adapt to that ethos will shape the outcome of this challenge....

I don't want no sugar in it - thank you very much

StarBlazer

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#1278963 8-Apr-2015 12:31

NonprayingMantis:
Rikkitic: “We pay considerable amounts of money for content rights, particularly exclusive content rights."

How about this, then? Stop paying all that money and we will watch the content overseas. Everyone wins.

kind of ironic considering how many people have been clamouring for years for NZ providers to launch SVOD services. Now that they do, we decide we don't want them and would rather keep subscribing to overseas providers.

and yes, Netflix US is better than any NZ service (including Netflix NZ), but that should surprise absolutely nobody.

think about all the times people have been begging and pleading with Netflix to please please launch in NZ, and now that they do everybody goes 'meh, that sucks. We'll just use Netflix USA'.

The problem is that we have been waiting so long for decent online content that those who can, have gone elsewhere. The genie is out of the bottle and is riding on the back of the horse that bolted. All the NZ domestic offerings are a "me too" platform which were formed due to the increasing interest in obtaining overseas content. Netflix said there was insufficient demand to launch in NZ - we have proven otherwise and they have come to the party. I'm sure it's not coincidence that they all started within months of each other. I won't be signing up to Lightbox or Neon any time soon due to their restrictions to x devices (enforced by their negotiated contract) and relative lack of content due to "exclusive" contracts they use to fight each other over such a limited audience.

Perhaps they should stop spending the money on lawyers and buying overpriced procedural content, NZ broadcasters should start looking at creating decent content - no more "reality TV" please. Once NZ has something to sell, it may be able to negotiate better for what it purchases.

We have the talent to make world class films, let's make world class TV.

EDIT: Sorry Rikkitic you typed faster than I did

Procrastination eventually pays off.

macuser

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#1278964 8-Apr-2015 12:31

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