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#1530170 11-Apr-2016 18:56

sIcPuPPy:
It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

It might be possible to do it with the Technicolor, but not through the GUI. It is possible on the TG582n.

You need to telnet to the router to make the changes. Google how to set up telnet on your OS.

Click on http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=178&topicid=191147, there are instructions for the TG582n which should be almost the same, if not identical, for your Technicolor 589. These instructions will redirect Google DNS traffic to your router. Add other DNS traffic as required.

For static routes use this as a guide.

A copy of the Telnet command line guide for your router can be found at the bottom of this link https://blog.rhysgoodwin.com/networking/technicolor-tg589vn-v2-dns-forwarding/

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#1530174 11-Apr-2016 19:06

tdgeek:

sIcPuPPy:

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing.

Couldn't agree more. If netflix end up as the only show in town we all know where the prices and service will go. I clearly remember what happened to mobile phone prices and service when new players entered the market.

I have a netflix account and a free month of lightbox account I can seriously see me keeping both or on tighter months just keep the one I'm using the most at the time. AS much as I hate not getting netflix world wide Ill still keep my dns4me for bbc and sport channels

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#1530181 11-Apr-2016 19:14

tdgeek:
sIcPuPPy:

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing.

What's wrong with replacing 1 SVOD with 3 is the increased cost and drop in quality you get from 3 instead of 1. And whilst SVOD and content producers arrange exclusive contracts there won't be real competition and people will pirate. If exclusive rights to content didn't exist then more svod companies could compete by providing a valuable service rather than having a monopoly on a show u like.

I posted previously , if you were paying 15usd for Netflix US to watch a tv show one day and the next day that is taken from u because you live in a different country then how is it worse to pirate it the day?

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#1530188 11-Apr-2016 19:24

Chrizvi: Hey guys. Can you pls advise if adding static works for you and pls advise which router have you used? Tried on linksy x1000 but no go. I dont get the proxy error but just timing out when trying US or Uk. Got getflix service.

Yup. I run an Untangle server as my router (a PC with 2 network cards running Linux). Unblock-US doesn't work, DNS4Me does.

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#1530190 11-Apr-2016 19:29

charliebrownnz:
tdgeek:

sIcPuPPy:

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing.

What's wrong with replacing 1 SVOD with 3 is the increased cost and drop in quality you get from 3 instead of 1. And whilst SVOD and content producers arrange exclusive contracts there won't be real competition and people will pirate. If exclusive rights to content didn't exist then more svod companies could compete by providing a valuable service rather than having a monopoly on a show u like.

I posted previously , if you were paying 15usd for Netflix US to watch a tv show one day and the next day that is taken from u because you live in a different country then how is it worse to pirate it the day?

I can partially accept you views but I guess the biggest gripe for me is that only one of these services can actually be played on my TV. Netflix (and Quikflix) has an app for the Xbox and all the others do not. They have the ability to put money up front to get rights to a TV show but don't spend any of it on development to actually allow you to watch it on your TV. I may be archaic in nature but I like to watch my TV shows sat on the couch with the family, not huddled around the PC/phone/tablet or on the train to and from work. I'm well aware of being able to stream with devices such as Chromecast but again why is there an app in Google Play/iTunes for these services but not on the Xbox Store or Samsung app store?

On the 1 vs 3 SVODs. As I stated, all shows were mainly available on the US Netflix. I would assume that there are many a streaming service begging for your hard earned dollars in the US yet Netflix has a huge selection and still charge give or take NZ$12.99. So yes the US has an easy all in one place for one price.

Maybe I'm not grasping your concept but paying $13 vs $39 for the same content seems, from a finacial standpoint, a fair point.

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#1530201 11-Apr-2016 20:08

sIcPuPPy:

charliebrownnz:
tdgeek:

sIcPuPPy:

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing.

What's wrong with replacing 1 SVOD with 3 is the increased cost and drop in quality you get from 3 instead of 1. And whilst SVOD and content producers arrange exclusive contracts there won't be real competition and people will pirate. If exclusive rights to content didn't exist then more svod companies could compete by providing a valuable service rather than having a monopoly on a show u like.

I posted previously , if you were paying 15usd for Netflix US to watch a tv show one day and the next day that is taken from u because you live in a different country then how is it worse to pirate it the day?

I can partially accept you views but I guess the biggest gripe for me is that only one of these services can actually be played on my TV. Netflix (and Quikflix) has an app for the Xbox and all the others do not. They have the ability to put money up front to get rights to a TV show but don't spend any of it on development to actually allow you to watch it on your TV. I may be archaic in nature but I like to watch my TV shows sat on the couch with the family, not huddled around the PC/phone/tablet or on the train to and from work. I'm well aware of being able to stream with devices such as Chromecast but again why is there an app in Google Play/iTunes for these services but not on the Xbox Store or Samsung app store?

On the 1 vs 3 SVODs. As I stated, all shows were mainly available on the US Netflix. I would assume that there are many a streaming service begging for your hard earned dollars in the US yet Netflix has a huge selection and still charge give or take NZ$12.99. So yes the US has an easy all in one place for one price.

Maybe I'm not grasping your concept but paying $13 vs $39 for the same content seems, from a finacial standpoint, a fair point.

I think we are in agreement. I was basically saying it is wrong to pay several times more for less content and a lesser service because NZ rights holders are bidding up prices to get exclusive access to providing a specific show based on an arbitrary factor such as where you live.

The whole concept of exclusive rights to show content is anti-competitive in the internet age. It is literally about creating little monopolies.

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#1530293 11-Apr-2016 22:12

charliebrownnz:
tdgeek:

sIcPuPPy:

It's a real shame but I've just cancelled my UnoTelly sub. I've tried but on my Technicolor 589 and Huawei 630b and the static routing option isn't even there. Therefore watching on my XBOX one is impossible.

Looks like I'll be sticking with NZ Netflix until I run out of things to watch, and since I was mainly watching UK and US Netflix I fear it won't be long before that sub will come to an end and I have to revert back to the old "dark" ways of getting my programming fix. This is made worse as I would have to subscribe to three services in NZ to watch the TV shows that we watched on the US and UK Netflix.

I suppose we can always remember the good times.

Unless there is a monopoly of one SVOD provider its expected that there will be fragmentation. So as I read from your post, you can replace NF USA with three SVOD services to get the same content. What's wrong with that. It could easily have to be NF NZ, LB, Neon and Hulu if Hulu NZ were here. The idea that many if not all here want is choice. But you can't really expect to have every choice in one easy $13 pack. Whatever happens over time, the revenue generated needs to fall into a new model. Fragmentation will help keep content premium, otherwise it becomes valueless. I don't see anyone from creators downwards being cash cows, its competitive. If it is competitive as I feel, there aint much squeeze room to give everyone everything for next to nothing.

What's wrong with replacing 1 SVOD with 3 is the increased cost and drop in quality you get from 3 instead of 1. And whilst SVOD and content producers arrange exclusive contracts there won't be real competition and people will pirate. If exclusive rights to content didn't exist then more svod companies could compete by providing a valuable service rather than having a monopoly on a show u like.

I posted previously , if you were paying 15usd for Netflix US to watch a tv show one day and the next day that is taken from u because you live in a different country then how is it worse to pirate it the day?

1. You want a monopoly

2. You want everything dirt cheap.

3. Justifies piracy.

Im not sure how many SVOD there would be and how they would compete if everyone has everything. It would be a low quality mess. Revenue is gone as every top quality show or movie lacks value. But its one of many ways it might play out.

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#1530310 11-Apr-2016 22:19

charliebrownnz:

I think we are in agreement. I was basically saying it is wrong to pay several times more for less content and a lesser service because NZ rights holders are bidding up prices to get exclusive access to providing a specific show based on an arbitrary factor such as where you live.

The whole concept of exclusive rights to show content is anti-competitive in the internet age. It is literally about creating little monopolies.

I don't follow. NZ is small, US is big, its not a fair comparison. Economies of Scale.

Exclusive content is anti-competitive? But you just said NZ rights holders are bidding up prices, that signs competition for the content.

You cannot have monopolies. Mono = one.

The internet age isn't relevant, the competition, marketing, this is all old stuff, its economics, supply and demand.

charliebrownnz

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#1530314 11-Apr-2016 22:28

tdgeek:

charliebrownnz:

I think we are in agreement. I was basically saying it is wrong to pay several times more for less content and a lesser service because NZ rights holders are bidding up prices to get exclusive access to providing a specific show based on an arbitrary factor such as where you live.

The whole concept of exclusive rights to show content is anti-competitive in the internet age. It is literally about creating little monopolies.

I don't follow. NZ is small, US is big, its not a fair comparison. Economies of Scale.

Exclusive content is anti-competitive? But you just said NZ rights holders are bidding up prices, that signs competition for the content.

You cannot have monopolies. Mono = one.

The internet age isn't relevant, the competition, marketing, this is all old stuff, its economics, supply and demand.

"Exclusive content is anti-competitive? But you just said NZ rights holders are bidding up prices, that signs competition for the content." - How many companies in NZ are allowed to show Game of thrones? Thats right, only sky tv has the rights to show that so if you want to watch it you have to sign up with sky tv. Its your only choice ie, a monopoly. There is competition between rights holders to shaft the consumer, there isn't competition between rights holders to provide the best service. They compete between each other to prevent the competition from providing a service. Competition is meant to provide better services cheaper, not the other way around.

charliebrownnz

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#1530333 11-Apr-2016 22:46

tdgeek:

charliebrownnz:

I think we are in agreement. I was basically saying it is wrong to pay several times more for less content and a lesser service because NZ rights holders are bidding up prices to get exclusive access to providing a specific show based on an arbitrary factor such as where you live.

The whole concept of exclusive rights to show content is anti-competitive in the internet age. It is literally about creating little monopolies.

I don't follow. NZ is small, US is big, its not a fair comparison. Economies of Scale.

Exclusive content is anti-competitive? But you just said NZ rights holders are bidding up prices, that signs competition for the content.

You cannot have monopolies. Mono = one.

The internet age isn't relevant, the competition, marketing, this is all old stuff, its economics, supply and demand.

I want to pay a fair price, if Netflix US is selling six times the content, and there is no real technological or physical barrier then I will get it at that price or cheaper through other means. Luckily for me I can still get US netflix, but if I couldn't I would just pirate the stuff and I wouldn't bat an eyelid. I will not pay 3 times the price for less just because local companies want in on the action without offering real value. When a market ruled by suppliers or middlemen becomes out of touch with consumers, black markets form, and black markets grow and black markets thrive.

"The internet age isn't relevant" - I suppose you think the stone age is then. Of course its relevent, that is how content providers are delivering it. The fact is regional content providers and producers are actually trying to create barriers so spineless middlemen can clip the ticket, this is not only an arcaic practice, but its dam-right anti-consumer.

The reality is, while there are exclusive rights to content, regional providers will not be able to provide a real value-add service. They will rely on monopolies for the content they have rights to to survive which craps on consumers. But if exclusive content didn't exist, Lightbox, sky and quickflix could actually compete on providing the best service and plans.

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#1530335 11-Apr-2016 22:58

You assume its the middleman, aka Sky etc. that are locking out content. Its all assumptions of course as we will never be privy to the thoughts of the content rights holder but perhaps they might be trying to lock out to exclusives? That way they make the most money as the middleman will keep on bidding up for the content; just look at how much the English Premier League costs have ballooned over the recent years, it now costs a significant sum to get those rights and they appear to only sell the main rights to one player in each region outside of the UK.

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#1530336 11-Apr-2016 23:05

Benoire:

You assume its the middleman, aka Sky etc. that are locking out content. Its all assumptions of course as we will never be privy to the thoughts of the content rights holder but perhaps they might be trying to lock out to exclusives? That way they make the most money as the middleman will keep on bidding up for the content; just look at how much the English Premier League costs have ballooned over the recent years, it now costs a significant sum to get those rights and they appear to only sell the main rights to one player in each region outside of the UK.

You could be right, but if the middlemen all agreed not to get into any more exclusive contracts then the producers would have no choice but to offer non-exclusive contracts. And we know that the middlemen can co-operate, the global-mode case being an example. I suspect it is more of a case of the local companies trying to protect their turf and continue on the gravy train for as long as possible.

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#1530337 11-Apr-2016 23:15

Benoire:
You assume its the middleman, aka Sky etc. that are locking out content. Its all assumptions of course as we will never be privy to the thoughts of the content rights holder but perhaps they might be trying to lock out to exclusives? That way they make the most money as the middleman will keep on bidding up for the content; just look at how much the English Premier League costs have ballooned over the recent years, it now costs a significant sum to get those rights and they appear to only sell the main rights to one player in each region outside of the UK.

Yes. Many here think of exclusive rights. $12-99. That's it. It's like a conspiracy to place barriers as its a very simple product, it's just me, my 12-99, and a co soiracy to shut me out. It's a freaking huge global enterprise with a huge number of players. Let's imagine Netflix bought everything, problem solved. Freedom. Choice. 12-99. I'm happy , I beat the conspirators. Yay. Now give me the business model where it all adds up. The common theme here is not about reality, it's I want to pay a fair price, which mean F all, but I want everything . Now I know there are people her that will pay a fair price, but many seem to want 100% and lay next to nix for it. And she I read that there is no competition, then same sentence telling me there is competition. And many monopolies. That's breaking the law of economic physics.

I see everything being everywhere, but with multiple providers as we have now. Our lives are riddled with multiple providers. If some cannot see that exclusivity is just a part of competition, then, so be it. Do you want a. Ferrari for $18999?. I enjoy reading sensible posts on this topic that I don't agree with, but the annoying ones are everything for 12-99, otherwise I will pirate. That's an artificial dream world. They actually don't want competition, they want a monopoly of one provider, with everything for bugger all. There is no debating on that topic.

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#1530358 12-Apr-2016 00:34

So how come it works in the USA FOR the USA?

I only want what the standard offering is [there]... If the 'market' can afford it for the USofA, why not the rest of the world too?

Let's face it, Netflix DONT have "it all" else Hulu et al wouldn't exist either... What Netflix US has is a good package, so why is it wanting a "Ferrari for 19k" to want to pay the same as they pay their for that 'Ferrarri' here?

I don't want "everything" for my $12, I just want what has been shown to work there, for everywhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbiacSD13qk&feature=youtu.be

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#1530398 12-Apr-2016 07:58

PhantomNVD: So how come it works in the USA FOR the USA?

I only want what the standard offering is [there]... If the 'market' can afford it for the USofA, why not the rest of the world too?

Let's face it, Netflix DONT have "it all" else Hulu et al wouldn't exist either... What Netflix US has is a good package, so why is it wanting a "Ferrari for 19k" to want to pay the same as they pay their for that 'Ferrarri' here?

I don't want "everything" for my $12, I just want what has been shown to work there, for everywhere...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbiacSD13qk&feature=youtu.be

I wasnt meaning you, just some other posters that want everything for nothing. The owners of the content, sell it to SVOD, or Sky, or Direct TV etc. Exclusivity could be to garner a premium to their service, the series may not appear straight away as they have other premium content playing, premium content helps retention, new customers, and advertising. Once these deals expire, thats when we will see new arrangements be created I feel. Over time I expect everything will be here. It will be spread across NF NZ, Hulu NZ if they come here, Sky, Neon, LB etc and any others that surface as things open up.

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