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#1532996 14-Apr-2016 12:48

My 2 cents on this,

Hulu have a pay for no advertising model - so its already in use (tick)

Television / Radio stations around the world use Geo Location, in NZ for example send Auckland ads if you watch in Auckland or Christchurch ads if you live in Christchurch so this is in use (tick)

So maybe a solution would be give the people what they want a world catalogue, but WITH advertising if you then want to opt out then you can pay for the privilege. For the likes of the Sky's / TVNZ's Media Works of this world then it would be that they would value add to this so you could choose what virtual channel you would subscribe to for NEWS etc.

Keep it simple and allow a profit to be made for all involved, what is obvious is the trying to hold back the sea mentality will not work medium to long term.

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#1533000 14-Apr-2016 12:51

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And Netflix has the ability to pay for those rights, in all those regions, either collectively at the time of negotiation or by acquiring from the existing rights holder. Why dont they? Maybe its not economic - still good for Netflix as a company but not good for the consumer.

Does the recent announcement for Top Gear mean that the Beeb should have sold all the rights to Netflix? Why did the Beeb decide to retain the rights in regions where it has syndication? Maybe its better for the BBC as a company? Sorry consumer but we run our business for our shareholders not for the customer.

It may well not be economic with their current subscription fees. And that's the challenge they need to figure out. How much are consumers prepared to pay to get access to a global catalogue? And will consumers be open to other ways of contributing to the licensing fees that content creators will be charging?

You are right that businesses have an obligation to their shareholders. But a business who does not provide value for money to their customers is not going to retain them. We are constantly evaluating whether the services we use still provide us good value. Once upon a time we considered paying $65 a month to Sky to be perfectly acceptable. At one stage this was closer to $100, when we had SOHO & sport included. But now that amount doesn't even come close to reflecting the value we obtained from their service. So we stopped paying them.

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#1533002 14-Apr-2016 12:53

Economics 101: If a distributor (Netflix) of content people want makes it difficult to get the content people want, many will go wherever they can get it. Piracy remains a viable option because it is easy and many who were willing to pay Netflix in America will just torrent instead. If local viewers can get the content locally that they were getting from overseas, then the problem is solved and everyone wins, If they can't, the circus continues on its merry way.

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#1533006 14-Apr-2016 13:07

Rikkitic:

Economics 101: If a distributor (Netflix) of content people want makes it difficult to get the content people want, many will go wherever they can get it. Piracy remains a viable option because it is easy and many who were willing to pay Netflix in America will just torrent instead. If local viewers can get the content locally that they were getting from overseas, then the problem is solved and everyone wins, If they can't, the circus continues on its merry way.

They arent as they do not own the content in that region. They haven't bought it. So therefores you go whereever they can get it, as you say, which is the service or provider that did buy it. Or you can opt out of the economic model and pirate it.

While many do say they will pay a good and fair price, this thread does giv emany examples that its about dirt dirt cheap, everything here on one device etc. Once geo blocking has been removed, this thread will be here talking about the excessive pricing

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#1533010 14-Apr-2016 13:14

DeepBlueSky:

My 2 cents on this,

Hulu have a pay for no advertising model - so its already in use (tick)

Television / Radio stations around the world use Geo Location, in NZ for example send Auckland ads if you watch in Auckland or Christchurch ads if you live in Christchurch so this is in use (tick)

So maybe a solution would be give the people what they want a world catalogue, but WITH advertising if you then want to opt out then you can pay for the privilege. For the likes of the Sky's / TVNZ's Media Works of this world then it would be that they would value add to this so you could choose what virtual channel you would subscribe to for NEWS etc.

Keep it simple and allow a profit to be made for all involved, what is obvious is the trying to hold back the sea mentality will not work medium to long term.

Good point about Hulu - now that I'm older, I'm prepared to pay extra for ad-free, when I was younger I might have gone for the cheaper version, and of course advertisers aim for those younger groups.

I imagine a pick and mix model where you subscribe to your chosen genres. Eg. I love animal programmes but don't want to subscribe to Sky to get them. I'm not interested in children's tv or sports, but would pay for Sci Fi and crime shows.

The technology is there and works - it's the profit-seeking business models that are holding it up.

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#1533030 14-Apr-2016 13:43

jmh:

DeepBlueSky:

My 2 cents on this,

Hulu have a pay for no advertising model - so its already in use (tick)

Television / Radio stations around the world use Geo Location, in NZ for example send Auckland ads if you watch in Auckland or Christchurch ads if you live in Christchurch so this is in use (tick)

So maybe a solution would be give the people what they want a world catalogue, but WITH advertising if you then want to opt out then you can pay for the privilege. For the likes of the Sky's / TVNZ's Media Works of this world then it would be that they would value add to this so you could choose what virtual channel you would subscribe to for NEWS etc.

Keep it simple and allow a profit to be made for all involved, what is obvious is the trying to hold back the sea mentality will not work medium to long term.

Good point about Hulu - now that I'm older, I'm prepared to pay extra for ad-free, when I was younger I might have gone for the cheaper version, and of course advertisers aim for those younger groups.

I imagine a pick and mix model where you subscribe to your chosen genres. Eg. I love animal programmes but don't want to subscribe to Sky to get them. I'm not interested in children's tv or sports, but would pay for Sci Fi and crime shows.

The technology is there and works - it's the profit-seeking business models that are holding it up.

Reason has been found.

FYI, NF makes a very low profit, in fact its only just hit a profit. SVOD distributing is not a cheap as chips venture, its very costly. I'd argue that the 10 buck plans are a customer numbers execise to get numbers up, they don't actually give a reasonable return. And thats now, with the lack of rights purchases that are the key issue here. Not easy.

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#1533121 14-Apr-2016 17:09

Netflix has just canceled my U.S account. Anybody else have this happen ?

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#1533143 14-Apr-2016 18:04

3puttssuck:

Netflix has just canceled my U.S account. Anybody else have this happen ?

How did you get informed it was cancelled? I'm having no issues using my vpn provider.

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#1533146 14-Apr-2016 18:16

charliebrownnz:

3puttssuck:

Netflix has just canceled my U.S account. Anybody else have this happen ?

How did you get informed it was cancelled? I'm having no issues using my vpn provider.

A message came up on my Apple tv, saying my account had been closed. And when logged into my account via browser, all my info was deleted and it said no such user name existed.

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#1533148 14-Apr-2016 18:21

3puttssuck:

charliebrownnz:

3puttssuck:

Netflix has just canceled my U.S account. Anybody else have this happen ?

How did you get informed it was cancelled? I'm having no issues using my vpn provider.

A message came up on my Apple tv, saying my account had been closed. And when logged into my account via browser, all my info was deleted and it said no such user name existed.

Thats very strange, did you receive any email from them to the email address you have registered against the account? I would contact their support and follow up on it. I ran a few google searches and I couldn't see anything regarding subscriptions getting cancelled, but there were articles about hacking of accounts. Not many large services out there cancel subscriptions without contacting their clients to tell them it has happened and why.

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#1533149 14-Apr-2016 18:23

charliebrownnz:

3puttssuck:

charliebrownnz:

3puttssuck:

Netflix has just canceled my U.S account. Anybody else have this happen ?

How did you get informed it was cancelled? I'm having no issues using my vpn provider.

A message came up on my Apple tv, saying my account had been closed. And when logged into my account via browser, all my info was deleted and it said no such user name existed.

Thats very strange, did you receive any email from them to the email address you have registered against the account? I would contact their support and follow up on it. I ran a few google searches and I couldn't see anything regarding subscriptions getting cancelled, but there were articles about hacking of accounts. Not many large services out there cancel subscriptions without contacting their clients to tell them it has happened and why.

Yeah, I was sceptical of this. No email or anything like that and if they have canceled its half way through my billing period. Wheres, my refund ?

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#1533171 14-Apr-2016 19:11

Tempory glitch ???? All is working now !!!!

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#1533265 14-Apr-2016 22:56

Who do you access them through... Please tell me not Hola as perhaps someone else now has your login details as a man-in-the-middle attack is apparently easy on that platform?

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#1533270 14-Apr-2016 23:04

Reminder...

DO NOT EVER USE HOLA.
... and if you do consider your computer / device and all accounts you've accessed through it compromised. Change all your passwords, reformat your computer and start again.

I repeat.. DO NOT EVER USE HOLA.

http://adios-hola.org/

That is all...

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#1533400 15-Apr-2016 08:58

PhantomNVD: Who do you access them through... Please tell me not Hola as perhaps someone else now has your login details as a man-in-the-middle attack is apparently easy on that platform?

I use Unblock-us & dns4me.

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