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#1472819 16-Jan-2016 20:09

I think the fundamental problem is the concept of exclusive regional rights. Why are these needed for videos? We don't see them for anything else: books, music, clothes, general goods. Why can't the content producers sell rights to a range of distributors for onward selling to consumers using a commercial model that works regardless of location? Imagine if you could only listen to certain record labels on specific radio stations, or buy specific publishers' books at specific book shops. This regional exclusivity is anachronistic nonsense designed to fleece the consumer and I'll ignore it, bypass it or use alternative sources. If Netflix decide to reduce the value of their offering, that's their decision but they'll lose customers just like Sky

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#1472822 16-Jan-2016 20:13

shk292: I think the fundamental problem is the concept of exclusive regional rights. Why are these needed for videos? We don't see them for anything else: books, music, clothes, general goods. Why can't the content producers sell rights to a range of distributors for onward selling to consumers using a commercial model that works regardless of location? Imagine if you could only listen to certain record labels on specific radio stations, or buy specific publishers' books at specific book shops. This regional exclusivity is anachronistic nonsense designed to fleece the consumer and I'll ignore it, bypass it or use alternative sources. If Netflix decide to reduce the value of their offering, that's their decision but they'll lose customers just like Sky

Because the content right holder simply can. They own the rights, they can dictate to who and how their sold. Sure, it may be an old model, but for them it generates the most revenue and that is what they want. They still sell the rights, they simply get more for them as a price war occurs. A consumer isn't entitled to anything, they purchase what they can within the realms of the rights holders requirements; be it through a middleman e.g. Netflix or directly such as the HBO service. If the rights holder wishes to control the flow of content then it can and it is legally allowed to.

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#1472828 16-Jan-2016 20:21

Benoire:
shk292: I think the fundamental problem is the concept of exclusive regional rights. Why are these needed for videos? We don't see them for anything else: books, music, clothes, general goods. Why can't the content producers sell rights to a range of distributors for onward selling to consumers using a commercial model that works regardless of location? Imagine if you could only listen to certain record labels on specific radio stations, or buy specific publishers' books at specific book shops. This regional exclusivity is anachronistic nonsense designed to fleece the consumer and I'll ignore it, bypass it or use alternative sources. If Netflix decide to reduce the value of their offering, that's their decision but they'll lose customers just like Sky

Because the content right holder simply can. They own the rights, they can dictate to who and how their sold. Sure, it may be an old model, but for them it generates the most revenue and that is what they want. They still sell the rights, they simply get more for them as a price war occurs. A consumer isn't entitled to anything, they purchase what they can within the realms of the rights holders requirements; be it through a middleman e.g. Netflix or directly such as the HBO service. If the rights holder wishes to control the flow of content then it can and it is legally allowed to.

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

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#1472833 16-Jan-2016 20:42

TeaLeaf: how could they block by credit card country location? i can use my visa internationally, likewise my german or aussie visas. thats why i pay a fee to have the things.

i tell you, along with a livestream sport subscription, online TV kills the sky tv deals. surely they have to get with the times. id be happy to subscribe to sky, if they provided more content on demand, no adds and sport for 1/3 the current package prices.

Easy enough. They can tell the country of the issuing bank from the number and just not accept the card. On more than one occasion I have tried to buy something from a US site only to have them reject my NZ CC saying they only accept US cards. The reverse is easily enough done.

Many have reported the AirNZ OneSmart card looks like a US CC to Netflix. I guess if they really wanted they could block that too but the volume would be rather low I would imagine.

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#1472839 16-Jan-2016 20:50

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Access to Content is not your RIGHT, it's a privilege same way anything you don't get for free is.

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#1472842 16-Jan-2016 21:02

networkn:

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Access to Content is not your RIGHT, it's a privilege same way anything you don't get for free is.

Not strictly true, theft is defined as depriving someone of something which is theirs, which applies to your iPhone analogy, but not to making a copy of digital material. You'll never be charged with theft for copyright beach, because it isn't theft

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#1472844 16-Jan-2016 21:05

networkn:
So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Not really. Copyright violation. They still have their copy.

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#1472846 16-Jan-2016 21:09

shk292:
networkn:

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Access to Content is not your RIGHT, it's a privilege same way anything you don't get for free is.

Not strictly true, theft is defined as depriving someone of something which is theirs, which applies to your iPhone analogy, but not to making a copy of digital material. You'll never be charged with theft for copyright beach, because it isn't theft

Err I hate to break it to you sport, but you are depriving them of something they value considerably, that would be INCOME!

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#1472847 16-Jan-2016 21:10

gbwelly:
networkn:
So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Not really. Copyright violation. They still have their copy.

Yes, REALLY. You are depriving them of income they would otherwise derive from said material.

I presume you don't mind stealing other forms of art, such as books, and paintings as well?

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#1472849 16-Jan-2016 21:12

networkn:
shk292:
networkn:

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Access to Content is not your RIGHT, it's a privilege same way anything you don't get for free is.

Not strictly true, theft is defined as depriving someone of something which is theirs, which applies to your iPhone analogy, but not to making a copy of digital material. You'll never be charged with theft for copyright beach, because it isn't theft

Err I hate to break it to you sport, but you are depriving them of something they value considerably, that would be INCOME!

That still doesn't make it theft. If I take the bus home instead of driving, I'm depriving a taxi driver of income, but I'm not stealing from him. You may have swallowed the piracy is theft line, but that doesn't make it true
I'm not saying it's not illegal, but it's not theft

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#1472853 16-Jan-2016 21:18

shk292:
networkn:
shk292:
networkn:

That's just fine, but consumers like me will therefore just pirate the content and the producers will get nothing instead of a fair price. No skin off my nose. Exactly the same as I refuse to be ripped off for global days roaming and use a local sim instead

So when the new iPhone comes out, and it doesn't meet your price and availability, do you intend to break in and steal that as well?

Let's be clear. Pirating is THEFT. You are STEALING when you do this.

Access to Content is not your RIGHT, it's a privilege same way anything you don't get for free is.

Not strictly true, theft is defined as depriving someone of something which is theirs, which applies to your iPhone analogy, but not to making a copy of digital material. You'll never be charged with theft for copyright beach, because it isn't theft

Err I hate to break it to you sport, but you are depriving them of something they value considerably, that would be INCOME!

That still doesn't make it theft. If I take the bus home instead of driving, I'm depriving a taxi driver of income, but I'm not stealing from him. You may have swallowed the piracy is theft line, but that doesn't make it true
I'm not saying it's not illegal, but it's not theft

LOL What? I'll let you just think about how nonsensical that comparison was.

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#1472860 16-Jan-2016 21:30

lchiu7:
Easy enough. They can tell the country of the issuing bank from the number and just not accept the card. On more than one occasion I have tried to buy something from a US site only to have them reject my NZ CC saying they only accept US cards. The reverse is easily enough done.

really? never had a problem with any of my CC's, here or overseas.

imo netflix is this is what they choose to do are entitled to do what they want. im entitled to go elsewhere for TV/Movies etc.

i guess its still being discussed because people are really not sure if its a "this is happening" vs "we should say this"

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#1472862 16-Jan-2016 21:31

Would be much simpler / fairer for consumers if geoblocking itself was banned / outlawed, in much the same way as parallel importing of goods is legal in NZ. The EU is investigating the possibility of geoblocking reform.

Of course because such a move would help consumers, rather than corporates, it probably has a snowflake's chance in Hell in succeeding. Changing the law(s) would help people like networkn who feel bound and morally guided by what laws say in this regard.

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#1472868 16-Jan-2016 21:39

TeaLeaf:
lchiu7:
Easy enough. They can tell the country of the issuing bank from the number and just not accept the card. On more than one occasion I have tried to buy something from a US site only to have them reject my NZ CC saying they only accept US cards. The reverse is easily enough done.

really? never had a problem with any of my CC's, here or overseas.

imo netflix is this is what they choose to do are entitled to do what they want. im entitled to go elsewhere for TV/Movies etc.

i guess its still being discussed because people are really not sure if its a "this is happening" vs "we should say this"

I've bolded the bit of your post which I believe is wrong.

You're not entitled to any content you don't own. You can enter in to an agreement with a supplier of content (Netflix, Sky, HBO etc.) but you're at the mercy of their conditions as either resellers or owners of the content. The only thing you're entitled to is your own content, of which you can do what you will. As has been said many times before in the numerous posts on geoblocking, the contents rights holders are the ones who can decide how you consume the content they sell and how they sell the content no matter how old fashioned it may be.

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#1472871 16-Jan-2016 21:43

Benoire:
I've bolded the bit of your post which I believe is wrong.

You're not entitled to any content you don't own.

ummmm arent you bolding exactly what im saying, i can go elsewhere, as in another provider

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