2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2644166 29-Jan-2021 16:05

Oblivian:

Why on earth would you spend 14 days in a hotel in NZ. At a cost. Only to spend all of a few days here, and get on a plane again. Let alone travel on to Hong Kong. I thought the criteria was returning residents...

It would still be economically viable if your profession was delivering high-value, small-volume products of a white powdery nature.

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#2644167 29-Jan-2021 16:09

Oblivian: Jumped the gun. But it was approved..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2021/01/le-laperouse-cruise-of-new-zealand-to-set-sail-in-march.html

Perhaps mooring for 2 weeks in the hope of negative on arrival.

You'd think there would be some common sense being applied rather than the bloody minded approach of the MOH.

Looks like there aren't suitably qualified people within New Zealand to staff the hospitality functions on the ship, so why can't they be classified as critical workers?

How long have they been at sea? More than 14 days by my count. Why not a Covid test on arrival with 48 hour's of quarantine and a providing the Covid tests are clear let them proceed as planned?

Some how I get the impression the MOH is being pedantic to show who's boss. Sure the timeline of the application and the ships departure date was tight but lining all the ducks up can be a complicated exercise and no doubt some of the crew were probably not confirmed till almost the last minute.

This isn't first time the government (MOH) has in my opinion been unreasonably difficult.

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#2644179 29-Jan-2021 16:41

Technofreak:

Oblivian: Jumped the gun. But it was approved..

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2021/01/le-laperouse-cruise-of-new-zealand-to-set-sail-in-march.html

Perhaps mooring for 2 weeks in the hope of negative on arrival.

You'd think there would be some common sense being applied rather than the bloody minded approach of the MOH.

Looks like there aren't suitably qualified people within New Zealand to staff the hospitality functions on the ship, so why can't they be classified as critical workers?

How long have they been at sea? More than 14 days by my count. Why not a Covid test on arrival with 48 hour's of quarantine and a providing the Covid tests are clear let them proceed as planned?

Some how I get the impression the MOH is being pedantic to show who's boss. Sure the timeline of the application and the ships departure date was tight but lining all the ducks up is can be a complicated exercise and no doubt some of the crew were probably not confirmed till almost the last minute.

This isn't first time the government (MOH) has in my opinion been unreasonably difficult.

Disagree. The current situation with the Pullman proves how tricky this virus is, and how we think people are in the clear but they actually aren't. And what is a cruise ship but a floating hotel? Plus, if we have suitably qualified NZers who can do the work, surely that's better than getting overseas people to do it?

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#2644182 29-Jan-2021 16:58

antonknee:

Disagree. The current situation with the Pullman proves how tricky this virus is, and how we think people are in the clear but they actually aren't. And what is a cruise ship but a floating hotel? Plus, if we have suitably qualified NZers who can do the work, surely that's better than getting overseas people to do it?

Two vastly different scenarios.

The crew have been in an isolated bubble for over two weeks. If there had been Covid present it's highly likely there will be plenty of infected crew before the ship arrives. If it arrives with no evidence of Covid then a Covid test with clear results for all crew plus an isolation period on the ship of say 48 hours should be enough.

All the passengers will be Covid free due to where they are embarking from.

I'd rather see New Zealanders employed too, however it has been stated there are no suitably qualified workers here in New Zealand. Apparently each crew member has to be trained on the procedures for that ship. I doubt there's anyone in New Zealand with that qualification.

Instead the MOD is being pedantic and in reality is affecting/jeopardising the jobs here in New Zealand of those people who would have been providing services to the cruise ship. The number of which I suspect is greater than the 69 crew members the MOH has not approved to come into New Zealand.

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#2644183 29-Jan-2021 16:59

WTH. What are they thinking using buses to transport people in MIQ for exercise?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/124087086/covid19-bussing-miq-returnees-across-auckland-for-exercise-stupid-prof-says

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#2644184 29-Jan-2021 17:02

antonknee:

Disagree. The current situation with the Pullman proves how tricky this virus is, and how we think people are in the clear but they actually aren't. And what is a cruise ship but a floating hotel? Plus, if we have suitably qualified NZers who can do the work, surely that's better than getting overseas people to do it?

I think the minister summed it up well today diplomatically and with what he didn't say.

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#2644186 29-Jan-2021 17:07

Technofreak:

antonknee:

Disagree. The current situation with the Pullman proves how tricky this virus is, and how we think people are in the clear but they actually aren't. And what is a cruise ship but a floating hotel? Plus, if we have suitably qualified NZers who can do the work, surely that's better than getting overseas people to do it?

Two vastly different scenarios.

The crew have been in an isolated bubble for over two weeks. If there had been Covid present it's highly likely there will be plenty of infected crew before the ship arrives. If it arrives with no evidence of Covid then a Covid test with clear results for all crew plus an isolation period on the ship of say 48 hours should be enough.

All the passengers will be Covid free due to where they are embarking from.

I'd rather see New Zealanders employed too, however it has been stated there are no suitably qualified workers here in New Zealand. Apparently each crew member has to be trained on the procedures for that ship. I doubt there's anyone in New Zealand with that qualification.

Instead the MOD is being pedantic and in reality is affecting/jeopardising the jobs here in New Zealand of those people who would have been providing services to the cruise ship. The number of which I suspect is greater than the 69 crew members the MOH has not approved to come into New Zealand.

That is still an assumption, and many people never show, or only have very mild symptoms. Tests aren't 100% accurate etc. At the very least they would need to isolation in NZs MIQs for 14 days too, due to there still being a risk, and we don't have the space.

Also what do people think about this kids singing groups being given MIQ space. I think it seems bizarre considering how many NZers are trying to get back and the wait for MIQ sapce.

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#2644188 29-Jan-2021 17:15

Technofreak:

Call me sceptical too. Why would someone go directly from MIQ in New Zealand to Australia?

Is it because NZs MIQ stay is free for returning NZers, while Australia charges everyone for MIQ? Is there some form of loophole here?

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#2644191 29-Jan-2021 17:26

mattwnz:

That is still an assumption, and many people never show, or only have very mild symptoms. Tests aren't 100% accurate etc. At the very least they would need to isolation in NZs MIQs for 14 days too, due to there still being a risk, and we don't have the space.

Why the need for them to take up space and isolate in NZ's MIQ? Other people have done their isolation/quarantine onboard vessels.

Do two tests then if you're worried about the accuracy of individual tests.

Since there has been demonstrated risk this week at MIQ hotels then perhaps all MIQ should be 28 days.

I am absolutely sure there are ways these people could have been allowed in without increasing the risk of Covid and without impacting spaces at MIQ hotels.

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#2644192 29-Jan-2021 17:28

mattwnz:

Technofreak:

Call me sceptical too. Why would someone go directly from MIQ in New Zealand to Australia?

Is it because NZs MIQ stay is free for returning NZers, while Australia charges everyone for MIQ? Is there some form of loophole here?

Perhaps, and we're dumb enough to let it happen.

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#2644196 29-Jan-2021 17:43

The immigration minister was just on radio.

Approx 90 crew. Of them 63 did NOT get visa pre-approval. And were notified early January after 2 attempts that they did not meet the 'specialist role' criteria COUwiggles?GH while already underway. Made clear that only the remainder did.

Now they don't know if someones picking them up from out there. But have agreed they would allow escorted berthing for fuel and supplies if not enough to survive. But they sent too many non visa holding crew. End

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#2644198 29-Jan-2021 17:47

Technofreak:

Call me sceptical too. Why would someone go directly from MIQ in New Zealand to Australia?

Is it because NZs MIQ stay is free for returning NZers, while Australia charges everyone for MIQ? Is there some form of loophole here?

If they are NZers and leave again within 90 days they have to pay (but will they?).

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#2644199 29-Jan-2021 17:51

'specialist role' criteria COUwiggles?GH

There's too many inconsistencies in who gets in. Some decisions don't add up.

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#2644219 29-Jan-2021 18:40

Technofreak:

Perhaps, and we're dumb enough to let it happen.

I am wondering why the NZ media hasn't picked up on this if it is correct.

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#2644236 29-Jan-2021 19:47

mattwnz:

Technofreak:

Perhaps, and we're dumb enough to let it happen.

I am wondering why the NZ media hasn't picked up on this if it is correct.

Probably not good enough click bait or they don't fall into the group the media picking on at the moment.

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