2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2776453 11-Sep-2021 17:31

mattwnz: It can be beaten but things may need to change. Delta looks like it needs a level 4.5 in Auckland. The problem is that we aren't getting the full detailed story imo

Level 4.5? There are far too many people not even doing Level 4 properly.

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#2776454 11-Sep-2021 17:40

Hrm. Guess movies are off the cards again.

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#2776457 11-Sep-2021 17:48

sbiddle:

A couple of quite interesting things I read and watched today -

First up the weekly CDC report which has some pretty revealing data showing Pfizer vs Moderns vs Janssen performance.

That's impressive.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e2.htm?s_cid=mm7037e2_w#T1_down

The Moderna vaccine dose is 100ug mRNA vs 30ug for Pfizer.

(IIRC in Israel they accidentally dosed patients with undiluted Pfizer vaccine @0.3ml = 4x normal dose, with no observed ill effects)

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#2776464 11-Sep-2021 17:55

mattwnz:

It can be beaten but things may need to change. Delta looks like it needs a level 4.5 in Auckland. The problem is that we aren't getting the full detailed story imo

You're assuming it can be beaten. Maybe it can't.

Spread is clearly happening at plenty of essential services just like it was in Australia. A level 4.5 won't stop this.

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#2776466 11-Sep-2021 17:59

Fred99:

sbiddle:

A couple of quite interesting things I read and watched today -

First up the weekly CDC report which has some pretty revealing data showing Pfizer vs Moderns vs Janssen performance.

That's impressive.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e2.htm?s_cid=mm7037e2_w#T1_down

The Moderna vaccine dose is 100ug mRNA vs 30ug for Pfizer.

(IIRC in Israel they accidentally dosed patients with undiluted Pfizer vaccine @0.3ml = 4x normal dose, with no observed ill effects)

I read something a couple of months back that did briefly question whether Pfizer had simply been too conservative on their dosage levels. While I haven't read anything lately it could be a key thing going forward, and necessitating a 3rd Pfizer dose for everybody who has had Pfizer.

As one of only a handful of countries that are 100% Pfizer, the shortcomings of the vaccine could be of serious concern for us and really do show the shortcomings of adopting the strategy we did.

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#2776467 11-Sep-2021 18:01

PolicyGuy:

If true it'd be bad news, but IMO it's equally likely that either they were careless / forgetful in answering about being at an an LOI (it's a l-o-n-g list now), or they lied about it hoping to avoid an up-your-nose swab test

There's lots of worry about vaccine hesitancy, but a recent survey said half the population wouldn't take a swab test even if they had flu-like symptoms. Swab test hesitancy is a much bigger issue right now

Its the 2 weeks imprisonment for a positive test that is the offputting thing I would think.

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#2776481 11-Sep-2021 18:07

mattwnz: It can be beaten but things may need to change. Delta looks like it needs a level 4.5 in Auckland. The problem is that we aren't getting the full detailed story imo

Theory and practice are the same in theory but not in practice.

As far as I'm aware no place has successfully eliminated delta.

We've had one plan for the last 18 months, eliminate.

I'm crossing my fingers, living in hope, and begging for forgiveness for the country laughing at Australia. Maybe that would do it.

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#2776483 11-Sep-2021 18:17

sbiddle:

Maybe it can't.

Spread is clearly happening at plenty of essential services just like it was in Australia. A level 4.5 won't stop this.

Is it? We haven't seen many instances of cases spreading at supermarkets even though they were declared LOIs.

I do share your concern though - we are now two days away from a decision. I'm dreading another two week extension but I think that's what we're going to end up with, with no end in sight.

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#2776490 11-Sep-2021 18:43

sbiddle:

I read something a couple of months back that did briefly question whether Pfizer had simply been too conservative on their dosage levels. While I haven't read anything lately it could be a key thing going forward, and necessitating a 3rd Pfizer dose for everybody who has had Pfizer.

As one of only a handful of countries that are 100% Pfizer, the shortcomings of the vaccine could be of serious concern for us and really do show the shortcomings of adopting the strategy we did.

They'd have taken into account ability to produce vaccine in quantity when setting dose levels in the trials. Same as the interval between doses, VE fairly well shown to improve with a longer interval, but you can't test everything is a stage III trial.

Moderna haven't been able to deliver many doses outside the US. So we'd have been S.O.L.

The "shortcomings" are relative. Most of the world who are lucky enough to be vaccinated aren't getting (the better) mRNA vaccines at all.

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#2776563 11-Sep-2021 20:33

mkissin:

Last time I tried there were no closer appointments. I’m not the issue anyway, I can F5 the booking site as much as I like. Many others won’t, which was my point, in regard to throwing open the COVID floodgates.

If you are anywhere near the airport they are taking drive ins.

When we went on Wednesday afternoon one of the guys there was going car to car saying "we have heaps of capacity, we should be doing 5000-6000 a day, we are looking to have done 1500 today, so if you know anyone who needs a vaccine send them here".

We went around 240ish, we were out by about 320ish.

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#2776564 11-Sep-2021 20:35

I wonder why the Ministry of Heath do not publish the wastewater testing results. If they are published I have not found them on any website.

I suppose they are an "after the fact" measure but would be really informative to know.

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#2776567 11-Sep-2021 20:44

They should be visible to OIA requests but really begs the question on why the results are not in domain. After all - there is no personally identifying information and we (the taxpayers) have paid for them.

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#2776572 11-Sep-2021 20:48

Reanalyse:

I wonder why the Ministry of Heath do not publish the wastewater testing results. If they are published I have not found them on any website.

I suppose they are an "after the fact" measure but would be really informative to know.

There is (minimal) information contained in the daily media release

There were 155 sites tested in the last 24 hours, covering 3.8 million people.

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#2776574 11-Sep-2021 21:00

COVID-19 exposure events at Middlemore Hospital

Media release
11 September 2021

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/covid-19-exposure-events-middlemore-hospital

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#2776575 11-Sep-2021 21:07

Things really aren't looking good for Auckland. I feel that in the past week the media and those fronting the 1pm briefings have really gave a lot of false hopes to people up there.

Aucklanders really do need preparing themselves for the fact this could easily be another 3-4 weeks minimum at L4 and even then it may be that they simply can't return to zero cases. ACT is all the proof you need that even with a population that wants to do the right thing, that Delta is a whole new game and that at the end of the day lockdowns may well be nothing but a measure to help control case numbers.

The problem really is that for the rest of us (particularly in the North Island where there is so much travel to/from Auckland) that it's not a case of if, but simply when we end up with spread outside Auckland.

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