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  #2789458 4-Oct-2021 22:57
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tdgeek: To quote a recent comment, thats a bit wishy washy and vague.

 

Efficacy of the vax is not relevant. Boosters are a thing no matter what plan anyone has.

 

Sigh inflammatory comments/clickbait by quoting other peoples comments, don't claim others as petty and contunye on with it by being churlish, let it go. Its not OUR responsibility to make the plan, that is what Jacinda and the MoH are collecting big six figure salaries for. What people said is there no clear plan ie like NSW plan, which is why Aucklanders are in serious covid fatigue, not because of lockdown, but thats been said by others and myself so it ends there. As for talks, you need to watch/read more NZ covid news if you want to be informed. Efficacy of a vax is not relevant? That sounds on the surface like disinformation. Please explain what context you mean that in? Because efficacy as a collective is the whole point of vaccination. The percentiles of both full protection and lowered viral load infection are exponentially different as it lowers. But to suggest its irrelevant pretty much dismisses the Vax as unimportant. Re Sailing/Boating, from the online update; Latest update — 4 October 2021 The Government has announced a 3 step plan for easing restrictions in Auckland. From 11:59pm on Tuesday 5 October, Aucklanders can travel anywhere within the Auckland region for outdoor exercise and recreation. You will now be able to go boating — including fishing from a motorised boat or vessel, sailing, scuba diving, jetskiing and camp overnight. Oh yeah, feels like freedom at last!!! toot toooooooo

 

See? Im not going on with anything, unlike others here.

 

Who said its OUR responsibility to make a plan? No one. There is a plan. Dec 2021 is end of rollout. The plan is vaccines not lockdowns, but you know all that, and also the ramifications of creating a plan with no idea of the results. Im not sure I would label that as a plan. It may work out it may not, what are you gambling with?

 

"So it ends there?" Ok, a bit pretentious.

 

Ok, I need to read more news so I can understand all these "talks". Community leaders have been talking a for a while now, its not making any traction. 

 

Efficacy of the vax is not relevant? Yes I will give you contexr, given that you ignored what was typed. plus the diminishing efficacy of the vax. So if they do stall to beyond Xmas, imo they are obliged to offer booster shots  Note the words booster shots. I said its not relevant as irregardless of who or whatever plan is undertaken, boosters are needed anyway. I doubt that's disinformation. Its a fact. NSW will need boosters, so will we, same applies everywhere as we all already know. But to suggest its irrelevant pretty much dismisses the Vax as unimportant You need to read more carefully. What a bizarre thing oo say when all I said was that boosters are required by us all, and not based on NZ's plan.Does NSW need boosters after Xmas too? or not?

 

 

 

 




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  #2789460 4-Oct-2021 23:09
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But in summary

 

You feel that we need a detailed plan now, details and dates. Thats a fair opinion

 

I feel that we can have plan with details and dates, but not right now. Too many unknowns, but that doesnt mean it will be a long long way off. Dec 2021 has been in place for some time now, end pf rollout. Thats doesnt mean that the first details will emerge on 31 Dec. A lot will flow under the bridge as we continue the rollout.

 

 

 

In the meantime, we have eased freedoms by an amount for the outbreak region. Helps the morale and family unity for the compliant public, of which there are many, and makes no difference to the non compliant as they will continue on as they already are.

 

Thats my summary.


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  #2789462 4-Oct-2021 23:11
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But lets leave it at that. 




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  #2789467 4-Oct-2021 23:46
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TeaLeaf: ... On the flip side, I think it was ABC I was listening too, they havnt had a death from non covid based pneumonia in an entire year, Im sure NZs stats would mirror this. But like you said, the death rate would be exponential without Auckland in lockdown ...

 

I can certainly believe that. See the yellow line in the graph below for influenza-like illness activity taken from the Weekly Interim Report ending 26-Sep of the Flu tracking project.

 

 

 





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  #2789482 5-Oct-2021 06:53
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Batman: Victoria emergency hotline unable to cope, thought due to covid situation

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/traumatic-girl-dies-of-cardiac-arrest-after-family-put-on-hold-by-emergency-staff/R3LUCJMDTM3ZOUKDW4OIY2UWYI/


Right there is why we cannot live with Covid 19. The proponents of that incredibly flawed notion which the government has been pushed to adopt will be responsible. I also suspect those proponents also didn't adhere to the rules of lock down.




Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.


 
 
 
 

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  #2789485 5-Oct-2021 07:02
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MikeB4: 
Right there is why we cannot live with Covid 19. The proponents of that incredibly flawed notion which the government has been pushed to adopt will be responsible. I also suspect those proponents also didn't adhere to the rules of lock down.

 

Arguably that is what we're 'transitioning' to at the moment - loosening rules with rising case numbers.


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  #2789486 5-Oct-2021 07:05
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Not quite correct. We are relaxing the rules following a chorus of crying which will lead to an increasing death rate from all conditions and accidents.




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  #2789505 5-Oct-2021 07:12
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MikeB4: Not quite correct. We are relaxing the rules following a chorus of crying which will lead to an increasing death rate from all conditions and accidents.

 

Without getting too into politics spillover zone; it's not like ongoing and endless lockdowns are a zero-cost option either.

 

I personally would have been much happier to stay in Level 3 with firm achievements to be unlocked through vaccination at certain targets (e.g. 90% 1st, 92% 1st, 95% 1st etc).  

 

But I wouldn't have put getting on it in local parks with the lads high on my list of things to be unlocked either. What do I know, I'm not a doctor.

 

Really hoping we see some revision around this over the next week - quite likely as well as MOH flesh out what is OK and what isn't over the next little while, so we could see some chopping and changing of what was announced plus some targets hung off it. 


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  #2789508 5-Oct-2021 07:18
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MikeB4: Not quite correct. We are relaxing the rules following a chorus of crying which will lead to an increasing death rate from all conditions and accidents.

 

I feel that the responsible will continue to be safe, and those that are not compliant will continue that poor behaviour. I base this on 97% of the cases are not vaccinated and generally emanated from a small set of suburbs who keep infecting themselves. The freedoms are small, and outside, it appears low risk. 

 

Key things are monitor hospital beds which are fine right now, and vax vax vax. I also feel that parts of AKL need to be walled off. Somehow


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  #2789509 5-Oct-2021 07:26
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Bloomfield said yesterday only 6% of current covid positive cases were vaccinated. It's the first time I'm aware of he's given that figure. I think this shows we're moving into a new phase.

 
 
 
 

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  #2789510 5-Oct-2021 07:27
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GV27:

 

Without getting too into politics spillover zone; it's not like ongoing and endless lockdowns are a zero-cost option either.

 

I personally would have been much happier to stay in Level 3 with firm achievements to be unlocked through vaccination at certain targets (e.g. 90% 1st, 92% 1st, 95% 1st etc).  

 

But I wouldn't have put getting on it in local parks with the lads high on my list of things to be unlocked either. What do I know, I'm not a doctor.

 

Really hoping we see some revision around this over the next week - quite likely as well as MOH flesh out what is OK and what isn't over the next little while, so we could see some chopping and changing of what was announced plus some targets hung off it. 

 

 

I dont think getting on it with the lads at the park is what this covers "The first is people being allowed to meet one other person or family, at a time, outside, with masks on" 

 

I agree with targets. We all know that over 80% gets tough, so while Dr A has bandied around 90% and 90%+, the reality is that may not be achieved, so best to aim high then revise when it stalls. If people comply, and cases are contained, and people get jabbed, more freedoms can occur. The ironic thing is that, taking Waikato as an example, it takes an outbreak to get mass vaccination occurring, that's crazy


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  #2789511 5-Oct-2021 07:29
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MikeB4:
Batman: Victoria emergency hotline unable to cope, thought due to covid situation

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/traumatic-girl-dies-of-cardiac-arrest-after-family-put-on-hold-by-emergency-staff/R3LUCJMDTM3ZOUKDW4OIY2UWYI/


Right there is why we cannot live with Covid 19. The proponents of that incredibly flawed notion which the government has been pushed to adopt will be responsible. I also suspect those proponents also didn't adhere to the rules of lock down.

 

whether we can or cannot, whether they pushed the govt or not, it is clear the country think we will after yesterday's announcement. every other article today says the same thing.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/126568111/be-ready-for-when-covid19-gets-to-taranaki-mayor-warns

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-90-project-napier-port-ceo-says-deltas-arrival-in-hawkes-bay-is-imminent-how-prepared-are-we/XT6Z3RDJRBCBERAAHMV5AB6VJI/

 

 


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  #2789513 5-Oct-2021 07:31
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gzt: Bloomfield said yesterday only 6% of current covid positive cases were vaccinated. It's the first time I'm aware of he's given that figure. I think this shows we're moving into a new phase.

 

They have said and Ive read it was 3%, but thats a moving figure anyway. It backs up that most of Auckand are doing well, and they are relatively safe. Its concentrated not everywhere. As is the case elsewhere, its a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Nail that you nail a lot


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  #2789514 5-Oct-2021 07:36
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Batman:

 

whether we can or cannot, whether they pushed the govt or not, it is clear the country think we will after yesterday's announcement. every other article today says the same thing.

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/126568111/be-ready-for-when-covid19-gets-to-taranaki-mayor-warns

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-90-project-napier-port-ceo-says-deltas-arrival-in-hawkes-bay-is-imminent-how-prepared-are-we/XT6Z3RDJRBCBERAAHMV5AB6VJI/

 

 

 

 

I said that last week, I give up, or words to that effect. Rules are no good if they aren't followed, so yes, it will spread, it already was. Numerous non Auckland towns got LOI's, numerous escape. Jab jab jab to win the race against hospital beds


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