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#2789516 5-Oct-2021 07:44

There is a flawed belief that vaccination is a panacea, for the vulnerable it is not. The relaxing of restrictions will only increase mental health issues of our vulnerable that are a significant percentage of our population. Not surprising Aotearoa has a pathetic track record on mental health.

The high levels of mental health issues have been largely ignored during lockdowns and will be ignored as we move into the next experiment. Anxiety amongst the vulnerable has increased alarmingly and there is little resources or motivation to deal with it. There are are words but little action.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2789518 5-Oct-2021 07:48

MikeB4:
Batman: Victoria emergency hotline unable to cope, thought due to covid situation

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/traumatic-girl-dies-of-cardiac-arrest-after-family-put-on-hold-by-emergency-staff/R3LUCJMDTM3ZOUKDW4OIY2UWYI/

Right there is why we cannot live with Covid 19. The proponents of that incredibly flawed notion which the government has been pushed to adopt will be responsible. I also suspect those proponents also didn't adhere to the rules of lock down.

But we HAVE to live with Covid. There are no other options.

It's simply highly unlikely that Covid is simply going to disappear in the next <5 years, and vaccination and theraputic treatments for Covid are going to be the future.

Nobody has pushed the Govt to do anything - they, like literally every other government in the world, has come to the acceptance that it's simply not realistic to expect that we can push ahead with a target of zero cases right now. It's the exact same strategy they outlined in August but is now happening a few months before they probably wanted to be transitioning to this point.

We've already been told by plenty of experts that 2022 is going to be a very challenging year for NZ, and this is going to be even harder for those who still live in a world that they expect to return to a pre Covid normal after we're all vaccinated because we beat Covid and won.

Our early gains and semi freedoms for ~16 months while the rest of the world endured Covid are potentially going to make that pain even harder to handle. Life is going to be very tough for a lot of people, potentially far more so than what it has been for the last 16 months.

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#2789520 5-Oct-2021 07:51

MikeB4: Right there is why we cannot live with Covid 19.

Once it’s endemic in the community there is no other option. It will cause a lot of misery but it’s what has happened in every country in the world. NZ doesn’t get to miss out on this unfortunately.

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#2789521 5-Oct-2021 07:51

MikeB4: There is a flawed belief that vaccination is a panacea, for the vulnerable it is not. The relaxing of restrictions will only increase mental health issues of our vulnerable that are a significant percentage of our population. Not surprising Aotearoa has a pathetic track record on mental health.

The high levels of mental health issues have been largely ignored during lockdowns and will be ignored as we move into the next experiment. Anxiety amongst the vulnerable has increased alarmingly and there is little resources or motivation to deal with it. There are are words but little action.

The % of cases that are not vaccinated is quite powerful, the vulnerable benefit from that also. How do lockdowns affect anxiety? Quite a lot I imagine. Rest homes for example will have their own set of protocols to keep them safe, I'd expect no jab no visit to be paramount as will likely be the case for all of us. Continual lockdowns affect the mental heath of everyone if they are locked away from family and support. Im not sure what your solution is, unless its lockdown till he virus is eliminated and we keep it that way?

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#2789522 5-Oct-2021 07:53

Batman:

whether we can or cannot, whether they pushed the govt or not, it is clear the country think we will after yesterday's announcement. every other article today says the same thing.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/126568111/be-ready-for-when-covid19-gets-to-taranaki-mayor-warns

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/the-90-project-napier-port-ceo-says-deltas-arrival-in-hawkes-bay-is-imminent-how-prepared-are-we/XT6Z3RDJRBCBERAAHMV5AB6VJI/

I expect hard borders will exist around Auckland for as long as the virus is semi contained within those borders. Once more widespread cases start to occur outside Auckland the hard borders will be able to be removed. That's why nobody else can move from L2, and we have to be realistic that give it a few weeks and we may well have cases popping up around the country.

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#2789524 5-Oct-2021 07:53

No one has pushed the government????? Yeah right! John Key, the Press, the travel industry, our neighbors, Auckland......... And so on.

Live with Covid? It is more accurately the opposite.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2789529 5-Oct-2021 07:56

MikeB4: No one has pushed the government????? Yeah right! John Key, the Press, the travel industry, our neighbors, Auckland......... And so on.

Live with Covid? It is more accurately the opposite.

The government hasn't listened to or acted on suggestions or demands from other political parties or experts this whole pandemic. Why would they suddenly do that now just because John Key said something?

Are you suggesting that he does carry significant influence over the country and isn't just some washed up has been ex PM like everybody else is?

Life is going to be tough for people like you and many others, but I really don't see what the options are. If we didn't start out transition today it would have only been 6-8 weeks away anyway. Those plans were made very clear in August when we committed to opening up in 22Q1

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#2789530 5-Oct-2021 07:56

@tdgeek there are far more vulnerable outside rest homes and the majority are under 65 and as young as new born.

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#2789532 5-Oct-2021 07:56

I purposely did not post yesterday because I was angry. I believe you shouldn’t post if you are angry or drunk. I woke up this morning feeling disappointed more than angry. Disappointed at the lack of true leadership demonstrated at yesterday’s level announcement. While I never expected to come out of L3 this week, the pathetic “let them eat cake” announcement of picnic bubbles and a ‘roadmap’ with no targets or timescale is truly disappointing. It appears the announcements were cobbled together over the weekend. The early childhood centres weren’t even consulted and they are already at Covid limited capacity with the offspring of essential workers.

As a young climate prophet recently opined (paraphrased).

Elimination blah, blah, blah.

Shops open in the future, blah, blah, blah.

Hospitality open some time beyond that, blah, blah, blah.

Protect the vulnerable, blah, blah, blah.

Vaccine passports, blah, blah, blah.

The MoH driven lockdown/elimination strategy worked a treat last year when there was no alternative but in the face of Delta the “One trick pony has gone lame and the vet has just turned up with his ‘euthaniser’.”

The way out is now dependant on convincing the feckless, the indolent, the misinformed or the downright belligerent that they need to get vaccinated. All the picnic bubble announcement has done is legitimise behaviour that has been going on in some areas for weeks.

Hearing people referring to the “Team of 5 million” is no longer appropriate. We are a team of 1.5 million and a team of 3.5 million. And I don’t think the politicians and officials sitting cosy in Wellington know just how angry the 1.5 million are.

Edit: Ive just listened to Assoc Health Minister Peeni Henare interviewed on the radio, waffle, double speak and deferment. Now I’m angry again.

“We’ve arranged a society based on science and technology, in which nobody understands anything about science technology. Carl Sagan 1996

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#2789533 5-Oct-2021 07:57

MikeB4: No one has pushed the government????? Yeah right! John Key, the Press, the travel industry, our neighbors, Auckland......... And so on.

Live with Covid? It is more accurately the opposite.

So what's the alternative - endless, ongoing lockdowns with the biggest city in the country walled off, Escape from New York-style in perpetuity?

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#2789535 5-Oct-2021 07:59

@sbiddle I respect you views and your work but you are wrong and have a much influenced perspective based on your personal likes. I will leave it that.

And yes my views are based on personal experience and the people I have worked with, and work with.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2789536 5-Oct-2021 08:00

tdgeek:
I feel that the responsible will continue to be safe, and those that are not compliant will continue that poor behaviour. I base this on 97% of the cases are not vaccinated and generally emanated from a small set of suburbs who keep infecting themselves.

Nope. Once it goes exponential it won’t be a disease for brown people anymore. Everyone will join the party.

It’s what’s happened everywhere including here.

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#2789537 5-Oct-2021 08:02

MikeB4: The relaxing of restrictions will only increase mental health issues of our vulnerable that are a significant percentage of our population. Not surprising Aotearoa has a pathetic track record on mental health.

The high levels of mental health issues have been largely ignored during lockdowns and will be ignored as we move into the next experiment. Anxiety amongst the vulnerable has increased alarmingly and there is little resources or motivation to deal with it.

I know you're a vulnerable person and I sympathise with you, but what about the mental health of everyone else who just want to get on with their lives? Most people who catch it will be fine. We are all vulnerable in some way and getting more vulnerable the longer this drags on.

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#2789540 5-Oct-2021 08:06

@Dingbatt I think you are right. I am angry, disappointed and very anxious. I got 2.4 hours sleep last night.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#2789542 5-Oct-2021 08:08

MileHighKiwi:
MikeB4: The relaxing of restrictions will only increase mental health issues of our vulnerable that are a significant percentage of our population. Not surprising Aotearoa has a pathetic track record on mental health.

The high levels of mental health issues have been largely ignored during lockdowns and will be ignored as we move into the next experiment. Anxiety amongst the vulnerable has increased alarmingly and there is little resources or motivation to deal with it.

I know you're a vulnerable person and I sympathise with you, but what about the mental health of everyone else who just want to get on with their lives? Most people who catch it will be fine. We are all vulnerable in some way and getting more vulnerable the longer this drags on.

I did say that the mental health issues have been ignored during and post lockdown. That said mental health has been largely ignored for decades, it is the kiwi culture.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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