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  #2797550 19-Oct-2021 11:38
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Everybody dig in, have a go. This is an enormously complex situation that does not submit to facile, one-line solutions. Anyone carrying responsibility for any aspect of this is performing a thankless task nobody in their right mind would want to have to take on. Mistakes and misjudgements are certainly being made, and that is no surprise in the circumstances, but people are working bloody hard to try to guide us through this unprecedented situation as best they can. Of course they should be held to account when they get it wrong, but a word or two of thanks would not also not be out of place.

 

   





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  #2797551 19-Oct-2021 11:39
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Jas777:

 

If Auckland is still in level 3 by mid December with double vaccinations rates of 85 - 90% then expect marches in the 10s of thousands and more.

 

 

Pretty much this... but it will be earlier than December,

 

Auckland  are currently 89% 1st and 71% 2nd , 2nd jabs are rising by over 1% per day, and will likely hit 85% by early November....

 

 

 

BUT there is a huge problem with the MoH Vaccine passport.. Its going to be a month late

 

"From the end of November, you will be able to download digital vaccination and COVID-19 test certificates for use in New Zealand and overseas."
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-requesting-proof-vaccination

 

 


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  #2797558 19-Oct-2021 11:50
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The only thing more demotivating than not having a target, is being set a target that is unrealistically high. Surefire way to divide a community as the minority have the majority say in the outcome for everyone. 

 



The reason we can't set any targets is whatever target we set the moment we open up, our hospitals will downgrade to third world.

Which in my impression is going to happen, and after weeks and now months of delay which won't change the ultimate outcome.

Should have spent the lockdown money on healthcare.

 

Right from the start I've likened battling Covid to fighting a war. 

 

When you're at war you spend money recruiting and training soldiers and buying equipment for those soldiers to use.

 

With Covid the soldiers are the medical staff and the equipment is our hospitals, ICU wards and medical equipment. Have we adequately resourced our Covid army?





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  #2797560 19-Oct-2021 11:55
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Meanwhile, checking in on how removing all covid restrictions in Denmark is working out.

 

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/aa41b29149f24e20a4007a0c4e13db1d

 

Cases look to be rising, currently 121 in hospital, 13 in ICU, 7 ventilated.


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  #2797566 19-Oct-2021 12:06
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On2or3wheels:

 

Meanwhile, checking in on how removing all covid restrictions in Denmark is working out.

 

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/aa41b29149f24e20a4007a0c4e13db1d

 

Cases look to be rising, currently 121 in hospital, 13 in ICU, 7 ventilated.

 

 

This is going to get worse before it gets better. What's their vaccination rate anyway?


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  #2797568 19-Oct-2021 12:14
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quickymart:

 

On2or3wheels:

 

Meanwhile, checking in on how removing all covid restrictions in Denmark is working out.

 

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/aa41b29149f24e20a4007a0c4e13db1d

 

Cases look to be rising, currently 121 in hospital, 13 in ICU, 7 ventilated.

 

 

This is going to get worse before it gets better. What's their vaccination rate anyway?

 

 

80% of 12+

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300404785/covid19-denmark-lifts-all-domestic-restrictions-citing-high-vaccination-rate

 

 

 

 


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  #2797569 19-Oct-2021 12:16
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From talking to a friend, they also totally walked back on masks etc. It's basically a pre-Covid society, which isn't what is being proposed here (supposedly). 


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  #2797571 19-Oct-2021 12:18
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If vaccinations rates could be lifted even 2% by offering alternative vaccines then why not (yes logistics are harder but it was always known to get the tail end would require more work)?


One of my friends who works in healthcare got a really bad reaction to the first dose (fainted) and now refuses a second dose.


Actually come to think about it, I never put 2 and 2 together but I was severely sick after the first dose too - in bed for 2 days and off work for 3-4 days. Just presumed I was already getting sick before the vaccine but maybe it was indeed the vaccine... started later on the same day I got jabbed. No issues with 2nd dose though...



There’s nothing particularly unusual about getting a reaction to a vaccine. It’s certainly not specific to Pfizer either. I got a really bad reaction to my first AZ shot. I was good after 36 hours but it wasn’t great.

I’m still bloody glad to be vaccinated.


Many years ago at boarding school I was given a tetanus jab. Couldn't move my left arm without extreme pain for about 10 days. Life moved on.





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  #2797574 19-Oct-2021 12:39
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Two more weeks at least of lockdown and then this - says BT not to be charged


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  #2797586 19-Oct-2021 13:10
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From the press release..

 

There are 94 new community cases of COVID-19 to report today; 87 in Auckland and seven in Waikato. As of 10am, 41 of these cases are linked – 26 of which are household contacts – and 53 remain unlinked, with investigations continuing to help determine their connection to the outbreak.





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  #2797587 19-Oct-2021 13:10
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Holy cow.


 
 
 

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  #2797589 19-Oct-2021 13:14
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On2or3wheels:

 

Meanwhile, checking in on how removing all covid restrictions in Denmark is working out.

 

https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/aa41b29149f24e20a4007a0c4e13db1d

 

Cases look to be rising, currently 121 in hospital, 13 in ICU, 7 ventilated.

 

 

UK also with no restrictions and pretty high vaccination rate

 

Daily cases approaching 50,000 up 16% in last 7 days

 

Daily deaths around 120 up 11% in last 7 days.

 

Concerns being raised with the onset of winter about how the NHS will cope.


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  #2797598 19-Oct-2021 13:45
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If our hospitals aren't ready now they never will be. Its not like on 1 March 1,000 ICU nurses will arrive in the country and beds will appear from nowhere.

 

Its clear the game is a toss up between protecting hospitals and managing the freedom of the majority who are vaccinated.

 

Unfortunately the next 6-12 months will be very hard for healthcare workers but we can't keep the country in limbo waiting for the health system to catch up because it never will. 

 

 

 

 


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  #2797601 19-Oct-2021 13:49
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So we now have huge numbers of cases at L3, which apparently is down to rule breaking, but yesterday the PM rejected L4 because L3 will apparently work if everyone follows the rules.

 

Sort of getting the feeling that this is losing shape.


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  #2797605 19-Oct-2021 14:01
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GV27:

 

So we now have huge numbers of cases at L3, which apparently is down to rule breaking, but yesterday the PM rejected L4 because L3 will apparently work if everyone follows the rules.

 

Sort of getting the feeling that this is losing shape.

 

 

It comes to IF people follow the rules. With many of the cases unlinked (no scanning I assume), and also households galore, yes its out of shape. Milehigh quoted its a race to the health system but IMHO its a race for vaccinations which will help the health system markedly. But the theme here recently seems to be that its not really a non compliance issue its about other issues.   


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