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#2801788 27-Oct-2021 09:26

Has anyone in this thread had to deal with medical exceptions for COVID vaccinations? I am talking about real medical reactions here, such as anaphylaxis which can be fatal. I hear the government talk about the "low number" of medically exempt but I have neither heard nor found any information on this in regards to vaccination passports or processes.

I have a family member (not me, I am double vaxxed) with GBS which can be fatal due to vaccinations (not just COVID either). I have only found one medical study and its not NZ based Rate of Recurrent Guillain-Barré Syndrome After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine BNT162b2 | Demyelinating Disorders | JAMA Neurology | JAMA Network and the sample size is small.

I have emailed the MoH but not reply yet (after 7 days).

Unfortunately it looks like one of this "no one really knows so we just say don't get the shot" messages from specialists.

I am interested in hearing if anyone else has looked into this or had any success with MoH etc.

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#2801802 27-Oct-2021 10:02

I found this. It is from the US but their humans are the same as ours.

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#2801807 27-Oct-2021 10:14

The Washington Post - FDA advisers back Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine for ages 5 to 11, saying benefits outweigh risks

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More than 10 months after U.S. adults started receiving coronavirus vaccines, the nation’s younger children moved significantly closer to getting a shot of protection when advisers to the Food and Drug Administration on Tuesday endorsed the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine.

The advisory committee found that the benefits of the shot outweighed the risks of a rare cardiac side effect and voted 17 to 0 with one abstention to back the vaccine for children 5 to 11 years old, a group that numbers 28 million.

While the advice is not binding, the agency is all but certain to authorize the vaccine, perhaps as soon as this week.

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#2801810 27-Oct-2021 10:23

Finally! Good news.

Also - do these clowns even know what they're doing? Of course they weren't going to just "drive through Auckland" to get to Northland. I hope the Police continue to stand their ground. The protesters aren't making themselves look good, IMO.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-traffic-building-at-aucklands-southern-checkpoint-as-protesters-gather/M4OAEESO3RSLOGOHSWDGKTURIM/

Looks like they'll be missing their midday powhiri.

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#2801811 27-Oct-2021 10:27

Geektastic:

I found this. It is from the US but their humans are the same as ours.

Thanks - but this is adverse reactions to COVID vaccinations, I am looking the other away around - reactions to the vaccination for someone who already has GBS, and more around how the medical exception process in NZ works.

FYI New Zealand has a similar study csu_03_august_2021_voc_key_info_summary_guillan_barre_syndrome_after_covid-19_vaccination.pdf (health.govt.nz)

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#2801812 27-Oct-2021 10:29

If these folks are indeed linked with the sovereign citizen movement, they won’t care what other folks think about them.

So far they’ve ticked the common law and sovereign boxes… I’m half expecting them to start quoting old versions of Blacks law dictionary (in particular: the definition of drivers).

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#2801814 27-Oct-2021 10:34

timbosan:

Has anyone in this thread had to deal with medical exceptions for COVID vaccinations? I am talking about real medical reactions here, such as anaphylaxis which can be fatal. I hear the government talk about the "low number" of medically exempt but I have neither heard nor found any information on this in regards to vaccination passports or processes.

I have a family member (not me, I am double vaxxed) with GBS which can be fatal due to vaccinations (not just COVID either). I have only found one medical study and its not NZ based Rate of Recurrent Guillain-Barré Syndrome After mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine BNT162b2 | Demyelinating Disorders | JAMA Neurology | JAMA Network and the sample size is small.

I have emailed the MoH but not reply yet (after 7 days).

Unfortunately it looks like one of this "no one really knows so we just say don't get the shot" messages from specialists.

I am interested in hearing if anyone else has looked into this or had any success with MoH etc.

There is a bit of a guide here (under the current order):

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-response-planning/covid-19-mandatory-vaccinations/covid-19-exemptions-and-exceptions-mandatory-vaccination

Every exemption under current orders needs to get approved by the Minister for COVID-19 Response (currently chris hipkins). - Seems more for workplaces than individuals - i.e. a port applying so one of it's critical people can continue working un-vaccinated, untill their replacement is trained up etc...

I imagine there will be a whole new process for people who medically cannot be vaccinated to get their hair cut etc when the traffic light system kicks in.

As a side note, most DHB's have a process / pathways around allergies or anaphylaxis. Seems like the patients can get clinical advice from an immunologist, and one of the options available is having the vaccine administer in a special hospital based vaccination clinic with lengthened & enhanced monitoring.

https://covid.immune.org.nz/sites/default/files/2021-09/Update%20around%20management%20of%20those%20with%20allergic%20reaction%20to%20their%20first%20dose%20of%20Comirnaty%20or%20history%20of%20PEG%20allergy.pdf

https://www.primaryhealthresponse.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/AnaphylaxisandCOVIDpathway.pdf

Perhaps have the person call an IMAC medical adviser 0800 IMMUNE/0800 466 863 or 0800Immune@auckland.ac.nz and see if they are in a position to offer any advice.

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#2801824 27-Oct-2021 10:50

air NZ seems to know something ... https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/covid-19-coronavirus-delta-outbreak-air-new-zealand-cancels-more-domestic-flights-into-december/RE2UQXJB2NGRIVWIN62B3JOY7M/

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#2801826 27-Oct-2021 10:52

cokemaster: If these folks are indeed linked with the sovereign citizen movement, they won’t care what other folks think about them.

So far they’ve ticked the common law and sovereign boxes… I’m half expecting them to start quoting old versions of Blacks law dictionary (in particular: the definition of drivers).

They are the self proclaimed "Sovereign Hikoi of Truth" (SHOT) movement...

I think it is fair that any country is going to have a bunch of people with radical viewpoints, but I am glad this hasn't escalated to violence & property damage that we saw in Australia.

Sounds like there are only 70 people illegally gathered at the checkpoint. Sounds like a manageable number for police arrest and detail the entire group, in order to resolve the SH1 blockage.

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#2801828 27-Oct-2021 10:56

MikeB4: The references to folks religion for example are being couched in hate speech styles for example.

I don't see it as hate speech but I see it as intolerance for other peoples beliefs and I put these people in the same boat as the ultra right wing people who are just as intolerant. I prefer a more moderate approach, I may not agree with your beliefs or convictions but I accept you for what is your personal belief. We can agree to disagree without the need to be disparaging.

As an aside I absolutely detest where we are heading with the hate speech debate. Who decides what is hate speech? We all have differing standards on this definition and this will cause division where there was non beforehand. Why not just treat each other with respect and be done with it?

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#2801829 27-Oct-2021 10:59

Scott3:

They are the self proclaimed "Sovereign Hikoi of Truth" (SHOT) movement...

I think it is fair that any country is going to have a bunch of people with radical viewpoints, but I am glad this hasn't escalated to violence & property damage that we saw in Australia.

Sounds like there are only 70 people illegally gathered at the checkpoint. Sounds like a manageable number for police arrest and detail the entire group, in order to resolve the SH1 blockage.

Apparently they're waiting for their whanau to turn up. Maybe they've decided they didn't need any further humiliation?

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#2801838 27-Oct-2021 11:04

Geektastic: "Police have condemned a planned hīkoi or march from Rotorua to Northland which is believed to be making its way towards Auckland this evening."

Never mind condemning it. Arrest them! Enough already.

I thought the border was closed? Or does that only apply to law abiding people, with the usual suspects exempt?

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#2801907 27-Oct-2021 11:47

MaxineN: Hmmm

With the mandate this is very much going to cause conflict between my fiancée's brother who's an anti vaxx and very pro "God will protect me" kind of guy and the rest of us.

He's going to get very very angry over the fact that he'll be restricted and it might add more fuel to the fire(upon other issues).

If anyone's got pointers that could maybe persuade that be helpful but at the same time. Should I just not bother and let that anti vaxx brother just find out the hard way?

Another thought on this discussion.

A lot of the anti vax crowd base their stand on their freedom or right to not be vaccinated. I also saw the other day a mid wife saying one of the tenants of midwifery was choice. These people seem to forget that responsibility and doing the right thing comes with freedom to choose and exercising your rights. They also seem to forget that there are consequences to the choices we make. The sayings "There's no such thing as a free lunch" and "You cannot have your cake and eat it" come to mind.

Reiterate that we all have the freedom to choose the vaccine. They need to realise that their freedoms and rights are curtailed when they bump up against another persons freedoms or rights. They need to realise that their choice not to be vaccinated will have consequences, for them and those around them. For example, their job may be impacted and they present an increased risk to those around them.

Just as they have the right to choose not to be vaccinated so do the people around them have the right to be as safe as possible from the virus.

My approach in some situations is to have a conversation around freedom, choice and doing the right thing. Then without point the finger directly at the individual make the observation that those influencers who are inciting people to exercise their right to choose are forgetting about the responsibilities that go with that. Perhaps also adding they are being selfish. Then make a statement the we all need to watch out that we don't fall into that trap. Hopefully the person you have been talking to will go away and think about their choices.

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#2801908 27-Oct-2021 11:48

How about freedom camping regulations, did they all bring portapotties with them ?
Never knew Rotorua had so many nutcases, is it something in the air ?

Once we do open up looks like Rotorua might be pretty risky holiday spot if its Covidiot central.

You really have to feel sorry for the Police.

Did they just travel through the Waikato level 3 zone without proper documentation, to get to Auckland border ?

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#2801912 27-Oct-2021 11:55

quickymart:

Scott3:

They are the self proclaimed "Sovereign Hikoi of Truth" (SHOT) movement...

I think it is fair that any country is going to have a bunch of people with radical viewpoints, but I am glad this hasn't escalated to violence & property damage that we saw in Australia.

Sounds like there are only 70 people illegally gathered at the checkpoint. Sounds like a manageable number for police arrest and detail the entire group, in order to resolve the SH1 blockage.

Apparently they're waiting for their whanau to turn up. Maybe they've decided they didn't need any further humiliation?

I'm think we might end up with another protest campsite like there was at Ihumatao if they're waiting for more to turn up. An increase in numbers won't improve their chances or crossing the border.

Of course the other thing that might happen is no one else joins them and they come to the realisation they don't have any support, have made fools of themselves and they quietly disperse.

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