2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2802864 28-Oct-2021 14:48

I can't believe that they still aren't requiring vaccination prior to crossing the border. The risk profile of Auckland has changed since they allowed exemptions to cross the border, and most people should have had enough time now to get fully vaccinated. The border seems very leaky. They should know by now that you have to do multiple tests during 14 days, as they do in MIQ, and sometimes covid positive people don't get detected until the final days test. The problem is that there doesn't seem to be any accountability now for leaks. It is 'oh well, we expect covid to leak throughout NZ'. But it can only leak where it has a path to leak. MIQ was introduced because people couldn't be trusted to do the right thing.

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#2802865 28-Oct-2021 14:50

Batman:

Piecemeal.

But if you recall I said your best chance of Auckland coming out of lockdown is covid everywhere. Once that establishes there will be no need for Auckland to stay in lockdown.

It makes it a lot easier for the government if the whole of NZ was in the same position, but I am hoping that isn't the plan prior to being fully vaxed.

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#2802919 28-Oct-2021 15:12

tdgeek:

Depends on the risks. 2pm will tell that story. Apparently they are both very unwell, so possibly laid low for most of the Oct 15th onwards?

But the risks (as initially advertised) weren't low - Infectious for at least 7 days with clear signs of illness and not using tracer app. They may have possibly laid low and if thats the information that has been given to the health authorities then so be it, but my suspicion is that they would have at least gone to a supermarket, gas station and a possibly a chemist at a minimum. Wasn't there was a minor involved (they travelled to CHCH for childcare)? - was the minor at home or at an educational facility? If at a school or ECE centre, then the risk of infection is anything but low.

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#2802920 28-Oct-2021 15:15

So there are LOIs, and they weren't scanning OR vaccinated, but there's no consideration of a lockdown.

Meanwhile, a million Aucklanders throw their hands up in the air in frustration.

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#2802922 28-Oct-2021 15:16

From MOH

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#2802923 28-Oct-2021 15:16

sen8or:

But the risks (as initially advertised) weren't low - Infectious for at least 7 days with clear signs of illness and not using tracer app. They may have possibly laid low and if thats the information that has been given to the health authorities then so be it, but my suspicion is that they would have at least gone to a supermarket, gas station and a possibly a chemist at a minimum. Wasn't there was a minor involved (they travelled to CHCH for childcare)? - was the minor at home or at an educational facility? If at a school or ECE centre, then the risk of infection is anything but low.

Agree, it "appeared" that as they were sick a lot probably no issue, but there are 7 or 8 LOI's, AND there are 9 close contacts, so multiply any tiki-touring to cover those as well.

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#2802924 28-Oct-2021 15:18

sen8or:

tdgeek:

Depends on the risks. 2pm will tell that story. Apparently they are both very unwell, so possibly laid low for most of the Oct 15th onwards?

But the risks (as initially advertised) weren't low - Infectious for at least 7 days with clear signs of illness and not using tracer app. They may have possibly laid low and if thats the information that has been given to the health authorities then so be it, but my suspicion is that they would have at least gone to a supermarket, gas station and a possibly a chemist at a minimum. Wasn't there was a minor involved (they travelled to CHCH for childcare)? - was the minor at home or at an educational facility? If at a school or ECE centre, then the risk of infection is anything but low.

Apparently, Nine close contacts have been identified across three households in standup, I wrongly thought it was 6 families ?
Until their tests come in we will not see their LOI's and due to privacy their contacts will not know.
Due to incubation periods , this may not show up till a later day3 or 5 test ?
So its cross fingers time ?

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#2802925 28-Oct-2021 15:20

sen8or:

[but my suspicion is that they would have at least gone to a supermarket, gas station and a possibly a chemist at a minimum. Wasn't there was a minor involved (they travelled to CHCH for childcare)? - was the minor at home or at an educational facility? If at a school or ECE centre, then the risk of infection is anything but low.

Other way around. (She) Reside here, flew to AKL to look after a child/grandchild for 5 days. Got it (likely in last days of that visit - hugs goodbye anyone..) Come back home. Partner (truck driver) come down with it.

Those location details are now out. But many appear to be delivery points rather than regular shops other than the Bishopdale NW (which was packed at 11am and lines out the door)

I joked that we are possibly at the point that going outside in AKL without precautions is likely a lottery about now. This shows it may not be far from the truth. But at the same time, there will be no linking to let us know how they got it.

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#2802926 28-Oct-2021 15:22

ezbee:

Apparently something like 6 other families have been identified as contacts according to my recollection of standup ?
Until their tests come in we will not see their LOI's and due to privacy their contacts will not know.
Due to incubation periods , this may not show up till a later day3 or 5 test ?
So its cross fingers time ?

Or throw hands up time? I'm sure anyone here in ChCh would have expected a level increase, even for just a week to see what pans out, i.e. cases not from the 9 close contacts. If all good, drop it back. If cases, then at least spread was reduced

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#2802927 28-Oct-2021 15:24

"The case was tested before they returned home to Christchurch"

"Ardern said the decision to keep Christchurch in level 2 is consistent with their approach in other regions when they've known the origin of cases."

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300439923/covid19-live-nine-locations-of-interest-across-christchurch-linked-to-positive-case

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#2802928 28-Oct-2021 15:27

"The Government is being consistent by opting against a snap lockdown for Christchurch - even if more cases emerge in the city, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-89-cases-today-christchurch-to-stay-at-level-2-miq-stays-cut-in-half-chris-hipkins/YAC74CA3FFWJLT4GFBFWRQFM5I/

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#2802930 28-Oct-2021 15:30

One plus is that mask wearing does appear to be generally good when in public shops, so the supermarkets etc should be lower risk.

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#2802937 28-Oct-2021 15:54

Batman: "The Government is being consistent by opting against a snap lockdown for Christchurch - even if more cases emerge in the city, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-89-cases-today-christchurch-to-stay-at-level-2-miq-stays-cut-in-half-chris-hipkins/YAC74CA3FFWJLT4GFBFWRQFM5I/

If I was a cynic I would say that now government has "live with it" aka "traffic lights" as the end game, a few cases popping up round the country is seen as a good incentive for people outside Auckland to get vaccinated sooner..

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#2802940 28-Oct-2021 15:58

I'm not sure you'd need to be a cynic to have that view.....

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#2802962 28-Oct-2021 16:19

It is quite clear, Auckland comes out of lockdown by vaccinating Counties or use the excuse of "it's everywhere" . And yes if the virus is in your backyard you are more likely to get vaccinated. Win win.

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