2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2802973 28-Oct-2021 16:32

What a load of facile sour simple-minded codswallop on this thread! Make sure to ignore everything the responsible authorities are getting right while rooting around for any possible thing they may be getting wrong. Sheesh!

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#2802978 28-Oct-2021 16:35

LoIs list has bumped a bit with the 4PM update

So yep, 2 hourly releases

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#2802983 28-Oct-2021 16:42

"The key message now is, get vaccinated,” said Hipkins. "Cases will pop up across the country, having more people vaccinated lessens the spread. It’s not a matter of if the virus arrives, but when"

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126813015/covid19-truck-driver-tests-positive-for-virus

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#2802991 28-Oct-2021 17:00

Batman: It is quite clear, Auckland comes out of lockdown by vaccinating Counties or use the excuse of "it's everywhere" . And yes if the virus is in your backyard you are more likely to get vaccinated. Win win.

Except up till the Supersaturday, quite a few areas outside Auckland had better vaccination rates including Wellington. The plan was always to get people vaccinated first, then to open up, and this was planned next year. Instead this is the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff approach. If it does spread past these index cases and they can't link or contain them, then other parts of NZ will have to go up a level.
We have to remember that over 40% of NZs total population is not vaxxed, including all children under 12.

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#2803007 28-Oct-2021 17:28

"It’s crazy, and I’ve been saying since the beginning of the outbreak ... we should not be allowing unvaccinated people to cross internal borders.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/126810216/covid19-crazy-to-allow-unvaccinated-people-to-fly-out-of-auckland-experts-say

Hmm... If you have a rule no traveling out of your area (eg Canterbury) without a vaccine passport...

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#2803010 28-Oct-2021 17:32

Rikkitic:

What a load of facile sour simple-minded codswallop on this thread! Make sure to ignore everything the responsible authorities are getting right while rooting around for any possible thing they may be getting wrong. Sheesh!

This isn't how accountability works. I don't have to praise every single thing a group gets right before I'm allowed to criticise them for getting stuff wrong. It's not a school report card - we're not trying to not hurt some kid's feelings.

There are people paid extremely well to feed into this response and our biggest city is under lockdown, which is going to take weeks at the earliest to lift. Are you expecting a compliment sandwich?

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#2803018 28-Oct-2021 18:00

Lockdownwhile in China.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-locks-down-lanzhou-northwestern-city-of-four-million-over-covid-19-cases

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China placed a city of four million people under lockdown on Tuesday (Oct 26), ordering them not to leave home except in emergencies, in a bid to eradicate a Covid-19 cluster of just a few dozen confirmed cases.
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Mass testing is under way in 11 provinces and authorities have suspended many inter-provincial tour groups.
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On Tuesday, the official Xinhua news agency reported that the party secretary of Ejin Banner in the northern Inner Mongolia region had been sacked, "due to poor performance and implementation in epidemic prevention and control".
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#2803021 28-Oct-2021 18:07

ezbee:

Lockdownwhile in China.
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-locks-down-lanzhou-northwestern-city-of-four-million-over-covid-19-cases

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China placed a city of four million people under lockdown on Tuesday (Oct 26), ordering them not to leave home except in emergencies, in a bid to eradicate a Covid-19 cluster of just a few dozen confirmed cases.
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Mass testing is under way in 11 provinces and authorities have suspended many inter-provincial tour groups.
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On Tuesday, the official Xinhua news agency reported that the party secretary of Ejin Banner in the northern Inner Mongolia region had been sacked, "due to poor performance and implementation in epidemic prevention and control".
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"just a dozen confirmed cases". that could mean anything ...

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#2803028 28-Oct-2021 18:18

wellygary:

Batman: "The Government is being consistent by opting against a snap lockdown for Christchurch - even if more cases emerge in the city, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-delta-outbreak-89-cases-today-christchurch-to-stay-at-level-2-miq-stays-cut-in-half-chris-hipkins/YAC74CA3FFWJLT4GFBFWRQFM5I/

If I was a cynic I would say that now government has "live with it" aka "traffic lights" as the end game, a few cases popping up round the country is seen as a good incentive for people outside Auckland to get vaccinated sooner..

I feel that its forced as compliance what it has been, so therefore no choice, but the jab lines were apparently chocker here in ChCh, quite pathetic.

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#2803031 28-Oct-2021 18:22

GV27:

This isn't how accountability works. I don't have to praise every single thing a group gets right before I'm allowed to criticise them for getting stuff wrong. It's not a school report card - we're not trying to not hurt some kid's feelings.

There are people paid extremely well to feed into this response and our biggest city is under lockdown, which is going to take weeks at the earliest to lift. Are you expecting a compliment sandwich?

Maybe look at those that didn't comply and let this outbreak run loose, but that's just an excuse here apparently.

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#2803038 28-Oct-2021 18:42

Oblivian:

Other way around. (She) Reside here, flew to AKL to look after a child/grandchild for 5 days. Got it (likely in last days of that visit - hugs goodbye anyone..) Come back home. Partner (truck driver) come down with it.

Looks suspiciously to me like visiting the rels with childcare as the way to get exemption. Very expensive childcare if you fly both ways.

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#2803041 28-Oct-2021 18:44

Rikkitic:

Make sure to ignore everything the responsible authorities are getting right while rooting around for any possible thing they may be getting wrong.

Isn't that what he opposition parties are doing? They are even critising the PM for not travelling to Auckland, even though it wouldn't be an essential trip and the risk has increased. Guess it is called Democracy.

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#2803042 28-Oct-2021 18:44

Batman: "The key message now is, get vaccinated,” said Hipkins. "Cases will pop up across the country, having more people vaccinated lessens the spread. It’s not a matter of if the virus arrives, but when"

Obviously they will pop up with the current easy going strategy.

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#2803044 28-Oct-2021 18:52

GV27:

So there are LOIs, and they weren't scanning OR vaccinated, but there's no consideration of a lockdown.

Meanwhile, a million Aucklanders throw their hands up in the air in frustration.

In Stuff Ben Thomas made a good point

Lockdown was not a punishment, and opening up is not a reward. Lockdown was a public health tool; an unthinkable imposition that we may not even be able to comprehend ourselves, like a strange dream, in a decade’s time, but necessary for the strange and exceptional times we lived in.

And that is where a lot of the resentment I feel is coming from. Opening up is offered as a reward for the actions of others.

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#2803048 28-Oct-2021 18:59

Quite a lot of people I have spoken to who aren't yet vaccinated are waiting to get vaccinated when they see the longer term health effects. Others seem to be waiting for carrots, such as vouchers which some places have been giving out.

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