2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2803049 28-Oct-2021 19:02

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Isn't that what he opposition parties are doing? They are even critising the PM for not travelling to Auckland, even though it wouldn't be an essential trip and the risk has increased. Guess it is called Democracy.

I'm sure there will equal amounts of criticism from the same people should a minister, prime or not, go overseas right now too...

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#2803064 28-Oct-2021 19:52

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Other way around. (She) Reside here, flew to AKL to look after a child/grandchild for 5 days. Got it (likely in last days of that visit - hugs goodbye anyone..) Come back home. Partner (truck driver) come down with it.

Looks suspiciously to me like visiting the rels with childcare as the way to get exemption. Very expensive childcare if you fly both ways.

That's the problem with making assumption isn't it? We're in a situation at the moment due to work and trying to transition a baby into daycare in a level 3 environment it is all getting too hard without support.

We're looking at getting an exemption to get my mother up to Auckland to help for a week. In many ways it goes against a lot of my instincts in how we just have to manage but we're are fast running out of options and ability to make things work.

And yeah in our case it would be hugely expensive (as an aside daycare costs for under 3s are too) but I can absolutely understand why people have to go down that route.

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#2803137 28-Oct-2021 20:50

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Rikkitic:

What a load of facile sour simple-minded codswallop on this thread! Make sure to ignore everything the responsible authorities are getting right while rooting around for any possible thing they may be getting wrong. Sheesh!

This isn't how accountability works. I don't have to praise every single thing a group gets right before I'm allowed to criticise them for getting stuff wrong. It's not a school report card - we're not trying to not hurt some kid's feelings.

There are people paid extremely well to feed into this response and our biggest city is under lockdown, which is going to take weeks at the earliest to lift. Are you expecting a compliment sandwich?

"This response" so far has meant that there have only been 28 deaths. Something or somebody is working. Happy to pay people well when they can deliver such an outcome to date.

I agree that they may not not have got some things right but I am OK with that if we can maintain that sort of outcome.

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#2803142 28-Oct-2021 21:01

Batman: "It’s crazy, and I’ve been saying since the beginning of the outbreak ... we should not be allowing unvaccinated people to cross internal borders.”

https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/126810216/covid19-crazy-to-allow-unvaccinated-people-to-fly-out-of-auckland-experts-say

Hmm... If you have a rule no traveling out of your area (eg Canterbury) without a vaccine passport...

Kind of sucks if you fly in to AKL from overseas and then have to spend the next indefinite period in Auckland until Level 3 ends, before you're allowed to go home to ChCh.

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#2803145 28-Oct-2021 21:19

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GV27:

This isn't how accountability works. I don't have to praise every single thing a group gets right before I'm allowed to criticise them for getting stuff wrong. It's not a school report card - we're not trying to not hurt some kid's feelings.

There are people paid extremely well to feed into this response and our biggest city is under lockdown, which is going to take weeks at the earliest to lift. Are you expecting a compliment sandwich?

"This response" so far has meant that there have only been 28 deaths. Something or somebody is working. Happy to pay people well when they can deliver such an outcome to date.

I agree that they may not not have got some things right but I am OK with that if we can maintain that sort of outcome.

This is the point I am trying to make. I think the government has made some major mistakes and those should not be glossed over, but it has also done a lot of things well and I just get a little tired of people only picking at things that might have been done better or differently. As soon as any decision is announced, the armchair generals all jump on it and start declamating everything that is wrong with it and how it could all have been done so much better. It gets tiresome.

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#2803147 28-Oct-2021 21:31

So the in laws are close contacts of the chch case and the anti vaxx brother in law is a casual plus.

Rather stressed out about this honestly.

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#2803152 28-Oct-2021 21:48

@shk292:

Kind of sucks if you fly in to AKL from overseas and then have to spend the next indefinite period in Auckland until Level 3 ends, before you're allowed to go home to ChCh.

I don't know if it is how it works.

If you are in Auckland and your permanent residence is somewhere else in the country you can leave. Someone in MIQ should be able to fly somewhere else in the country at the end of their stay.

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#2803153 28-Oct-2021 21:48

@robbyp:

Quite a lot of people I have spoken to who aren't yet vaccinated are waiting to get vaccinated when they see the longer term health effects.

This sounds like anti-vaxxer excuses.

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#2803158 28-Oct-2021 21:56

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@shk292:

Kind of sucks if you fly in to AKL from overseas and then have to spend the next indefinite period in Auckland until Level 3 ends, before you're allowed to go home to ChCh.

I don't know if it is how it works.

If you are in Auckland and your permanent residence is somewhere else in the country you can leave. Someone in MIQ should be able to fly somewhere else in the country at the end of their stay.

The facility will even organise your transport to the airport to allow you to catch your connecting flight on the day of your departure.

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#2803162 28-Oct-2021 22:12

Sure, let's publish about a drug used to treat OCD that has shown in-vitro effectiveness against cytokines and claim it "could" be used against covid-19 - despite the NIH saying "Further studies are needed to establish whether the anti-inflammatory effects of fluvoxamine observed in nonclinical studies also occur in humans beings and are clinically relevant in the setting of COVID-19."

Just wait for anti-vaxxers to latch into this one too.

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#2803176 28-Oct-2021 23:22

robbyp:

Quite a lot of people I have spoken to who aren't yet vaccinated are waiting to get vaccinated when they see the longer term health effects. Others seem to be waiting for carrots, such as vouchers which some places have been giving out.

Pretty sure I read somewhere that vaccines don't have long term health effects. It's the nature of how they work. Any side effects come to light within a few days, usually within a few minutes, hence the 20 minute wait afterwards.

In the case of long term health effects with drugs, the long term side effects generally occur as a result of long term or prolonged use of the drug. A one off use rarely produces side effects.

People waiting to see about long term health effects of the vaccine are either misinformed or anti vax.

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#2803180 28-Oct-2021 23:46

freitasm:
@robbyp:

Quite a lot of people I have spoken to who aren't yet vaccinated are waiting to get vaccinated when they see the longer term health effects.

This sounds like anti-vaxxer excuses.

Probably not. Most of the people who say this are either ignorant, scared, misinformed or all of the above.

That doesn’t make them anti-vax. Likely pretty stupid but not really anti vax. The numbers of people who are really anti-vax are pretty small. They are noisy but there really aren’t many of them.

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#2803192 29-Oct-2021 06:22

Rikkitic:

This is the point I am trying to make. I think the government has made some major mistakes and those should not be glossed over, but it has also done a lot of things well and I just get a little tired of people only picking at things that might have been done better or differently. As soon as any decision is announced, the armchair generals all jump on it and start declamating everything that is wrong with it and how it could all have been done so much better. It gets tiresome.

Well it's not like Aucklanders can use that time for much else, so forgive us if we're a little hesitant to insert a minimum amount of fanfare when we want to say something.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/126801911/covid19-restaurant-staff-wearing-exemption-lanyards-instead-of-masks

I know Bloomfield says people aren't the problem, the virus is the problem, but it really, really, sounds like people are the problem here.

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#2803193 29-Oct-2021 06:30

I dropped in at a rural Otago restaurant / bar last weekend.

I walked in with a mask and nobody wore a mask.

As I passed a table of a large family one lady commented loudly "who would wear a mask that's such a stupid thing to do". Verbatim.

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#2803213 29-Oct-2021 07:27

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freitasm: This sounds like anti-vaxxer excuses.

Probably not. Most of the people who say this are either ignorant, scared, misinformed or all of the above.

That doesn’t make them anti-vax. Likely pretty stupid but not really anti vax. The numbers of people who are really anti-vax are pretty small. They are noisy but there really aren’t many of them.

I was one of these people who was waiting to see long term effects, so was vaccine hesitant and ignorant. Mentioned this to my physiotherapist earlier this year and she also had same hesitancy.

My next visit with her about 2 weeks later, she informed me she'd done a bit of reading and found out that any adverse health effects are almost immediately evident or occur well within 20 days, hence why the vaccine trials were around 40 to 60 days.

This tipped my decision to have the vaccine when it became available to me.

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