2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2823445 2-Dec-2021 23:34

kiwifidget:

Here, have a little laugh about anti-vaxxers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8V4NG1HmE8

Brilliant song, keep your ears peeled, it gets fast.

Her expressions are the best part. That was pretty funny thanks.

Just keep swimming...

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#2823448 3-Dec-2021 00:08

Looks like the cause of the (rare) blood clots with AstraZeneca has been found. Important quotes:

These clots, known as vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia, have been linked to 73 deaths out of nearly 50 million doses of AstraZeneca given in the UK.

AstraZeneca said the vaccine is thought to have saved more than a million lives around the world and prevented 50 million cases of Covid.

The Cardiff team hope their findings can be used to improve adenovirus-based vaccines in the future to reduce the risk of these rare events.

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#2823475 3-Dec-2021 07:32

Sup: Imagine if they had have been given a start on the start line at the outset.

The vaccine was prioritised by age and health conditions and older Maori have done just as well as older Europeans and other ethnicities with vaccine uptake.

Younger Maori have been letting the team of 5 million down and its nothing to do with racism. If my 82 year old Maori uncle can make his way to the vaccine clinic, literally on one leg, then the others have no excuse.

My uncle usually refuses medical treatment, he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to see a doctor. He says he doesn't want to make a fuss, he's ok etc.

But he got the jab, even though he thought he only needed it after he had caught covid, lol.

What excuse does a 27 year old Maori in Rotorua have from not rocking up to a vaccine centre and protecting himself and his whanau?

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#2823481 3-Dec-2021 07:45

MileHighKiwi:

Younger Maori have been letting the team of 5 million down and its nothing to do with racism. If my 82 year old Maori uncle can make his way to the vaccine clinic, literally on one leg, then the others have no excuse.

My uncle usually refuses medical treatment, he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to see a doctor. He says he doesn't want to make a fuss, he's ok etc.

But he got the jab, even though he thought he only needed it after he had caught covid, lol.

What excuse does a 27 year old Maori in Rotorua have from not rocking up to a vaccine centre and protecting himself and his whanau?

Maori populations are younger by default, so you had more people waiting until later groups to get vaccinated. That gave the misinformation on social media a decent headstart, is it any surprise that vaccination is lagging? That misinformation isn't just local either, it's social media influencers in Aus/US, NBA players, etc. That's 24/7.

Almost every health board and government agency has difficulty getting messaging into Maori and PI communities on issues like smoking, obesity - why they suddenly thought they'd just be 100% on board from the get-go by default is beyond me.

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#2823489 3-Dec-2021 08:21

My recollection is that when the 65+ age group started getting the vaccine that Maori uptake in the age band was actually very good and that quite publicly they were singled out and being encouraged to bring the whanau and get them all vaccinated together (not sure if this was across the board or more just in rural locations). This was at a time before the big vaccine deliveries even arrived in NZ.

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#2823490 3-Dec-2021 08:21

kiwifidget:

Here, have a little laugh about anti-vaxxers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G8V4NG1HmE8

Brilliant song, keep your ears peeled, it gets fast.

That was quite clever, haven't heard of them before - apparently they're sisters but I couldn't see a resemblance? :)

ezbee

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#2823758 3-Dec-2021 13:35

Annnd, its suddenly 8,600 first vaccines yesterday !
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#total-vaccinations

The bump continues.

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#2823762 3-Dec-2021 13:41

ezbee:

Annnd, its suddenly 8,600 first vaccines yesterday !
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#total-vaccinations

The bump continues.

And still screwed for 5 (or does the pass not care about the 2 week effective and its 3) more weeks.

ezbee

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#2823786 3-Dec-2021 14:14

Vaccination late adopters.

Hopefully with Delta showing less transmission in summer, more sensitive to seasons than original Wuhan ?
They will make it through summer to their second dose.

Maybe a lesson after finding they are not magnetic, have not grown extra limbs, and without free 5G.
Awesome combination for a tradie, but not happening.

Interesting to see increasing cases at border 51 today, and seems to have been consistently in 40's ?
Test and fly is more akin to a somewhat imperfect filter.
But better some filter than none.

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#2823792 3-Dec-2021 14:22

Oblivian:

ezbee:

Annnd, its suddenly 8,600 first vaccines yesterday !
https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-vaccine-data#total-vaccinations

The bump continues.

And still screwed for 5 (or does the pass not care about the 2 week effective and its 3) more weeks.

Except how much checking of passes is going to be done, when places only apparently need to do a 'reasonable' number of spot checks . It is largely an honour system. In Germany they are getting really tough on the unvaxxed, and the WHO seem to be encouraging compulsory vaccination which I guess is only a matter of time. PLus it looks like boosters will be annual, based on the CEO of Pfizer interview. .

Sup

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#2823818 3-Dec-2021 14:58

MileHighKiwi:
Sup: Imagine if they had have been given a start on the start line at the outset.

The vaccine was prioritised by age and health conditions and older Maori have done just as well as older Europeans and other ethnicities with vaccine uptake.

Younger Maori have been letting the team of 5 million down and its nothing to do with racism. If my 82 year old Maori uncle can make his way to the vaccine clinic, literally on one leg, then the others have no excuse.

My uncle usually refuses medical treatment, he has to be dragged kicking and screaming to see a doctor. He says he doesn't want to make a fuss, he's ok etc.

But he got the jab, even though he thought he only needed it after he had caught covid, lol.

What excuse does a 27 year old Maori in Rotorua have from not rocking up to a vaccine centre and protecting himself and his whanau?

There are people with Phd's with extensive expertise in health care and indigenous populations who warned the Govt about not adopting an indigenous model of health. You seem to be saying that the issue is primarily not being bothered.

The mistrust issues of indigenous groups is universal the world over. Or you would be saying that hundreds of completely unrelated groups are independently universally not bothering. Laziness? is that the branding here?

Everyone has a "My Maori Uncle" story. Your uncle in his 80s has managed to live past the life expectancy rate by some way. "I know a Maori" is not a representative way to approach a population.

I am not going to go into what institutional racism is. A google search and a bit of reading will explain how systems that provide inequitable access to groups by race are institutionally racist by design whether by intention or not.

The Maori youth in Rotorua you posit, ironically, would know peeps from Murupara, the source of much vaccine missinformation generated by the local Gp then loosely supported by a prominent Maori Elder (he actually asked for the Govt to come to Murupara and explain what is in the Pfizer vaccine, a reasonable request).

We have all seen a crucial time window to try to capture people, to bring them on board, before miss-information takes them.

Samoa saw this first in the modern era. Infants start dying of Measles. American Antivaxxers use a social media brute force attack to convince Samoans that the vaccine kills children.

Samoans became the more difficult group to outreach in the Pacific. The National Rugby Leagues list of Antivaxx players is over represented by New Zealand Samoan heritage players.

Miss trust spread rappidly through all Island groups. The Govt rose to the challenge by enabling Pasifika providers, Church centered vaccine campaigns have pushed Pasifika into the ninety percentile from where they were lagging well behind New Zealand European.

Maori are following the same trend. Cultural based health provision is rappidly catching Maori rates up to Non Maori.

If we need any more evidence of cultural norms and the threat of the miss information movement, then we only need to look to the State of Victoria, which initially enjoyed one of the most complaint populations in the world and strongest Covid responses.

But like all groups, irrespective of race....when you leave it too late....the window for bringing people on board is lost.

Maori rates will climb further, because the Govt has adopted the Maori model. Whanau are to come together to vaccine centers.

The timing with Elders coming for boosters who can now tell Tamariki to get in the car is ideal, as is the allowance for whole groups to bring under twelves accompanied by Mum and Dad who may have needed that experience to change their own minds.

Just keep swimming...

wellygary

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#2823821 3-Dec-2021 15:04

ezbee:

Interesting to see increasing cases at border 51 today, and seems to have been consistently in 40's ?
Test and fly is more akin to a somewhat imperfect filter.
But better some filter than none.

What numbers are you looking at?

MoH say 5 cases at the border today, 2 yesterday

3rd Dec

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/90-waitemata-and-canterbury-residents-double-dosed-92-community-cases-79-people-hospital-9-icu

2nd Dec

https://www.health.govt.nz/news-media/media-releases/more-39000-vaccinations-given-yesterday-172-community-cases-86-people-hospital-9-icu

ezbee

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#2823824 3-Dec-2021 15:12

wellgary ,

Arrgh, my miss-read.

COVID-19: Current cases | Ministry of Health NZ

Oh that border number is a total of presently active border cases, being 51

Thanks for correction,

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#2823842 3-Dec-2021 15:23

mattwnz:
Except how much checking of passes is going to be done, when places only apparently need to do a 'reasonable' number of spot checks . It is largely an honour system.

I went to maccas for lunch. It was sighted before I could get in

And the unvaxxed uber eats driver felt silly being sent out the door.
And the ceo would say that. Shareholders happy etc. Its what feeds the big pharma stories.

ezbee

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#2823853 3-Dec-2021 15:38

Oblivian:
mattwnz:

Except how much checking of passes is going to be done, when places only apparently need to do a 'reasonable' number of spot checks . It is largely an honour system.

I went to maccas for lunch. It was sighted before I could get in

And the unvaxxed uber eats driver felt silly being sent out the door.
And the ceo would say that. Shareholders happy etc. Its what feeds the big pharma stories.

Yes the BioNTech CEO has a slightly different message.

‘Don’t freak out’ about Omicron, says BioNTech CEO
In an interview with the WSJ, BioNTech chief Ugur Sahin said that while Omicron may infect more vaccinated people, they will likely remain protected against severe illness.
https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/11/30/dont-freak-out-about-omicron-says-biontech-ceo

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