2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2831843 14-Dec-2021 08:22

shk292:

For some reason, no decision to loosen restrictions that the government takes can be implemented without a 1-2 week wait period. It makes no sense to me, just seems like promising kids nice things in the future to make them behave better today. AKL clearly fits the criteria for Amber now, so the 17-day delay is perplexing. I guess it can be justified to some extent by the threat of Omicron

I thought it was based on assessing the flow on effect of freedom day?

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#2831849 14-Dec-2021 08:29

shk292:
Batman:

hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)

For some reason, no decision to loosen restrictions that the government takes can be implemented without a 1-2 week wait period. It makes no sense to me, just seems like promising kids nice things in the future to make them behave better today. AKL clearly fits the criteria for Amber now, so the 17-day delay is perplexing. I guess it can be justified to some extent by the threat of Omicron

It seems like that because that's what it is!

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#2831851 14-Dec-2021 08:31

Batman:

hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)

Auckland circa 100 cases per day. Lower SI no cases for 18 months. Both on orange.

someone explain?

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#2831855 14-Dec-2021 08:40

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Oblivian:
heck, there was even somebody on the united against Facebook page last night requesting they stop ringing her... Pretty sure the call centre is ringing it's to advise you and ignoring it isn't the idea

Who's her?

Some internet random who unwilling paintied a 'im probably a close contact' target on her back for asking them to stop ringing in the comments section.

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#2831875 14-Dec-2021 09:23

SJB:

Batman:

hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)

Auckland circa 100 cases per day. Lower SI no cases for 18 months. Both on orange.

someone explain?

I guess your question is why isn't the lower SI going to green? Because there's no doubt that Auckland fits the criteria for going to orange. The day that we entered the traffic light system at red we met the criteria for orange.

But yes, the lower SI also meets the criteria for green I have no doubt about that.

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#2831881 14-Dec-2021 09:39

Give it four weeks, and the whole country (maybe except Northland) will fit the criteria for Orange.

There are a few thousand 'active' cases in Auckland. Do you honestly think they'll all do the right thing and stay isolated (there maybe a few hundred carrying it that have no idea they've got it)? Covid is coming to the south. It'll go to a festival and a packed bar at New Years, but because the country is in Orange, everyone in that bar, or at that festival, will be vaccinated. This reduces the risk of super-spreading. Hence, why the South Island remains at Orange.

It's not that big a deal, the difference between them is basically mask-wearing, and vaccine passports, both of which aren't that hard.

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#2831944 14-Dec-2021 10:20

trig42:

Give it four weeks, and the whole country (maybe except Northland) will fit the criteria for Orange.

There are a few thousand 'active' cases in Auckland. Do you honestly think they'll all do the right thing and stay isolated (there maybe a few hundred carrying it that have no idea they've got it)? Covid is coming to the south. It'll go to a festival and a packed bar at New Years, but because the country is in Orange, everyone in that bar, or at that festival, will be vaccinated. This reduces the risk of super-spreading. Hence, why the South Island remains at Orange.

It's not that big a deal, the difference between them is basically mask-wearing, and vaccine passports, both of which aren't that hard.

So green is unattainable unless the virus dies out.

What's the point in having it?

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#2831947 14-Dec-2021 10:24

trig42:

It's not that big a deal, the difference between them is basically mask-wearing, and vaccine passports, both of which aren't that hard.

But the perception of the difference is what matters, what people perceive, they believe. At green, the perception is that you are free to go about your daily business as you see fit, at Orange or Red, you are being told there are conditions to your daily movement (even if as you point out the conditions aren't onerous).

As it stands, the Govt have announced certain criteria, which they are now ignoring "for caution". They use whatever measures suit them on the day to justify their decisions (including if the health advice suits or doesn't support their decision, if the 90% was a hard or soft measure among others).

Hopefully calmness and common sense can prevail over this period and people just get on with things. Getting all bent out of shape over something you can't control doesn't seem a good way to spend the holidays...

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#2831953 14-Dec-2021 10:38

sen8or:

Hopefully calmness and common sense can prevail over this period and people just get on with things. Getting all bent out of shape over something you can't control doesn't seem a good way to spend the holidays...

*Or every saturday like the chumps are doing

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#2831967 14-Dec-2021 11:01

Oblivian:

*Or every saturday like the chumps are doing

I also would have accepted "clowns".

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#2831969 14-Dec-2021 11:03

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/anti-vaccine-dunedin-nurse-lauren-bransgrove-promises-not-to-harass-vaccinators-after-threatening-social-media-video.html

"I became emotional" yes, okay, right, whatever. So are lots of other people at the moment, but you don't see them going online making tough guy threats, either.

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#2831974 14-Dec-2021 11:14

shk292:

Batman:

hang on a sec. AKL allowed to travel to all corners of the country now, but AKL stays in red till 30 dec.

someone explain? (other than bcos PM promised)

For some reason, no decision to loosen restrictions that the government takes can be implemented without a 1-2 week wait period. It makes no sense to me, just seems like promising kids nice things in the future to make them behave better today. AKL clearly fits the criteria for Amber now, so the 17-day delay is perplexing. I guess it can be justified to some extent by the threat of Omicron

Then they should have made the decision 2 weeks earlier to tie in with the exodus.

It makes no sense you can go everywhere around the country but you can't go next door or down the road.

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#2831975 14-Dec-2021 11:16

quickymart:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/anti-vaccine-dunedin-nurse-lauren-bransgrove-promises-not-to-harass-vaccinators-after-threatening-social-media-video.html

"I became emotional" yes, okay, right, whatever. So are lots of other people at the moment, but you don't see them going online making tough guy threats, either.

I think as @MikeB4 said, this is what we don't want, a I vs you mentality.

These guys are stressed as hell because they 100% believe the vaccine with absolutely alter their body and turn them into some crocodile or something.

It's like you don't want to tease someone with a mental illness, even though they are violent etc.

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#2831976 14-Dec-2021 11:18

Batman:

quickymart:

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/12/anti-vaccine-dunedin-nurse-lauren-bransgrove-promises-not-to-harass-vaccinators-after-threatening-social-media-video.html

"I became emotional" yes, okay, right, whatever. So are lots of other people at the moment, but you don't see them going online making tough guy threats, either.

I think as @MikeB4 said, this is what we don't want, a I vs you mentality.

These guys are stressed as hell because they 100% believe the vaccine with absolutely alter their body and turn them into some crocodile or something.

It's like you don't want to tease someone with a mental illness, even though they are violent etc.

And you think its fine for this person to be a nurse and work for ACC too?

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#2831979 14-Dec-2021 11:23

freitasm:

And you think its fine for this person to be a nurse and work for ACC too?

I think when a doctor and nurse display these sort of mentally unsound behaviours and make mentally unsound decisions, you have the medical council and nursing council who will deal to them. So I will support the decisions of these 2 councils whatever they may be.

I'm just very happy that the people who run the country are mentally sound.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/457824/dunedin-nurse-referred-to-nursing-council-over-online-threats-to-attack-vaccination-buses

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