2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2876087 28-Feb-2022 09:25

My understanding is that the booster shot is a full shot, from what I've read and was told at the vaccination centre when we had it done. For people who have had the booster, you've had 3 doses of the vaccine (except as mentioned above for some immunocompromised people, who may have had 4 full doses).

If there is any information to the contrary, I would appreciate a link, please.

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#2876096 28-Feb-2022 09:32

@Stu: My understanding is that the booster shot is a full shot, from what I've read and was told at the vaccination centre when we had it done. For people who have had the booster, you've had 3 doses of the vaccine (except as mentioned above for some immunocompromised people, who may have had 4 full doses).

If there is any information to the contrary, I would appreciate a link, please.

That's correct. People with immune deficiencies can get a third shot and then the booster.

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#2876166 28-Feb-2022 11:33

MaxineN:

As someone who is immunocompromised, and has a immunocompromised fiancée who barely survived a run in with the flu and ended up in hospital.

How the hell are we meant to avoid/dodge COVID if we just continue to let it rip?

Uni has refused to do remote learning so she's having to go in(and there's already COVID cases at this uni). Trying to avoid it as much as we can but it just feels like we're all going to get it now and the people with the crappiest immune systems are going to end up being the worst off/abandoned/forgotten?

Maybe I am dooming and glooming too much but we kind of just don't feel safe anymore.

I think you can only avoid / dodge if you treat everyone you contact as being infectious. If your fiancee barely survived the flu, that would be the normal situation for you I would suspect whether or not Covid existed in the world.

To that end, to what extent and how long do we lock down the country or impose other restrictions? And what happens next time there is another disease that is released into the wild? What point is it simply too big of an imposition on "society" to protect the vulnerable? (I don't mean that to sound as callous as its worded, just couldn't think of other wording for it)

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#2876172 28-Feb-2022 11:46

sen8or:

To that end, to what extent and how long do we lock down the country or impose other restrictions? And what happens next time there is another disease that is released into the wild? What point is it simply too big of an imposition on "society" to protect the vulnerable? (I don't mean that to sound as callous as its worded, just couldn't think of other wording for it)

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Well we know that there's a fairly large portion of NZers who will knowingly go out and infect themselves with whatever it is because 'lockdown bad' or 'you can't tell me what to do'.

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#2876181 28-Feb-2022 11:56

MaxineN:

As someone who is immunocompromised, and has a immunocompromised fiancée who barely survived a run in with the flu and ended up in hospital.

How the hell are we meant to avoid/dodge COVID if we just continue to let it rip?

Uni has refused to do remote learning so she's having to go in(and there's already COVID cases at this uni). Trying to avoid it as much as we can but it just feels like we're all going to get it now and the people with the crappiest immune systems are going to end up being the worst off/abandoned/forgotten?

Maybe I am dooming and glooming too much but we kind of just don't feel safe anymore.

The sad reality, is omicron is simply too contagious to keep out of NZ via MIQ for an extended period (as evidenced by it's arrival here), and is too contagious to contain with a lock-down that would be accepted by the general public (as evidenced by Denmark's now abandoned 18th December partial lock down).

And given other countries have been able to handle the hospital load at lesser vaccination levels than us, it is hard to justify harsher measures against omicron than what we are currently using.

Leaves people like you in a tricky spot.

I know multiple groups of people in a similar situation too you who have chosen to go into a self imposed lock-down over the worst of the omicron wave. Basically their hope is that they can isolate away from the virus for the next 4 - 6 weeks.

Based on overseas experience, the omicron wave will be super fast, and will start burning itself out in a matter of weeks. Should note that lock downs etc, would extend the period those choosing to isolate need to do so.

It is going to be a tough winter, as travel re-opening will see the re-introduction if influenza, RSV and many other pathogens to our community.

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#2876200 28-Feb-2022 12:19

Possibly the last place holding things back. For now.
Taiwan confirms 6 local COVID cases
CECC announces 63 imported cases, no new deaths
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4456057

Somewhat necessary as getting vaccine, or precursors for their own vaccines have slowed vaccination program.
So have needed more time, and they have security issues to worry about if outbreak was debilitating.
But getting to a good place, 3rd doses may be a bit slow.
They are reducing isolation to 10 days, and looking to increase capacity for business travel.

Taiwan March 7 border opening also covers professional cram school teachers, entertainers
CECC previously only mentioned foreign business travelers
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4455382

They are in general very relaxed about using masks, with large scale local manufacturing and have a very good contact tracing system.

A number of measures actually crowdsourced, and one of their ministers is part of a large coding group.
How Taiwan used simple tech to help contain Covid-19
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60461732

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#2876203 28-Feb-2022 12:26

MaxineN:

freitasm:

Correct. Immuno-compromised patients could have a prescription for a third shot, then the booster (3 + 1 instead of 2 + 1). Consult your GP.

We've already had 3 full shots. Because we were both immunocompromised our booster was actually a third full shot.
Also consulting GP is impossible. There's a 1 month wait period before the next appointment. Might actually see if we can get a nurse appointment but will need to talk to fiancée around planning.

Do you have health insurance, there are some quick Virtual GP appointments possible with one provider I know of ?

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#2876208 28-Feb-2022 12:39

Reanalyse:

Do you have health insurance, there are some quick Virtual GP appointments possible with one provider I know of ?

No insurance.

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#2876211 28-Feb-2022 12:43

GV27:

sen8or:

To that end, to what extent and how long do we lock down the country or impose other restrictions? And what happens next time there is another disease that is released into the wild? What point is it simply too big of an imposition on "society" to protect the vulnerable? (I don't mean that to sound as callous as its worded, just couldn't think of other wording for it)

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Well we know that there's a fairly large portion of NZers who will knowingly go out and infect themselves with whatever it is because 'lockdown bad' or 'you can't tell me what to do'.

I think you're confusing "living their lives as normally as possible" and "intentionally getting infected and passing it on", the two are not the same and in any event, I hardly think its a large portion of NZers (outside of the few nutbags that the media seem to find in a crowd for clickbait, most normal people wouldn't knowingly catch a cold, let alone Covid)

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#2876252 28-Feb-2022 13:09

sen8or:

I think you're confusing "living their lives as normally as possible" and "intentionally getting infected and passing it on", the two are not the same and in any event, I hardly think its a large portion of NZers (outside of the few nutbags that the media seem to find in a crowd for clickbait, most normal people wouldn't knowingly catch a cold, let alone Covid)

Functionally, there's not a whole heap of difference between the two if it they both mean not wearing masks and scanning.

I think a lot of people wrongly assume they've had the flu when they've probably had a relatively mild case of the common cold.

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#2876387 28-Feb-2022 16:28

First it was MIQ, now self isolation has gone the way of the Dodo for fully vaxxed travellers...

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#2876393 28-Feb-2022 16:37

Stu: My understanding is that the booster shot is a full shot, from what I've read and was told at the vaccination centre when we had it done. For people who have had the booster, you've had 3 doses of the vaccine (except as mentioned above for some immunocompromised people, who may have had 4 full doses).

If there is any information to the contrary, I would appreciate a link, please.

The nurse who gave me my booster confirmed it is the same dose as Shots 1 and 2

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#2876395 28-Feb-2022 16:40

To borrow from Peter Reader.

Hmmmm. Here we go....

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#2876398 28-Feb-2022 16:54

So the borders are open for all vaccinated returning New Zealanders. Whilst we are still in the middle of our own growth phase of cases, with 10-15k community cases each day reported (and who knows what the real number is), the old "stop it at the border" really didn't make sense anymore. I for one am quite happy they have finally relented.

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#2876400 28-Feb-2022 17:00

So the govt is yet to decide whether "fully vaccinated" is 2 or 3 shots, is that right?

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