2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2880114 7-Mar-2022 10:13

I picked up a box of RATs from the Albany testing station on Friday - took about 10 minutes at most.

Had a headache and was feeling blocked up (like I do when I have a cold coming on). They were really cool about it.

Negative by the way, and reported it. Will test again today.

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#2880159 7-Mar-2022 10:52

networkn:

The process to report your results is broken beyond belief. The IT systems have been up and down and are beyond many people to report online, and don't even think about trying to call.

Our numbers aren't dropping, like testing we have lost our capacity to report. It's a disgrace.

Took a couple of minutes to report my negative test. Like wise a couple of minutes for my wife to report her positive.

I was called the following day by the helpline to make sure I knew what to do as a close contact.

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#2880174 7-Mar-2022 12:09

blackjack17:

Took a couple of minutes to report my negative test. Like wise a couple of minutes for my wife to report her positive.

I was called the following day by the helpline to make sure I knew what to do as a close contact.

I'm confused about negative test reporting,

last week Dr Bloomfield said this: at the Thursday presser
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YZcCcne800
27:27

Journo Question: Is there any benefit in reporting negative rats

Dr Bloomfield: uh not particularly no we don't see any benefit and there are the two reasons for that
one is that there will be a large number of them

secondly and i think this may be the experience of people you may be aware of is that sometimes people can return one two even more negative tests before turning up returning a positive test

So what we're really interested in is if people are symptomatic and remaining symptomatic that they do keep doing those tests because usually there will be a point in time during the illness when the test will become positive."

But now the MoH are telling everyone to report negative tests...... although they are not publishing any of the data...

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#2880178 7-Mar-2022 12:40

Because they are not considering people being idiots and panic testing or doing it for the hell of it

You are only meant to test, and subsequent report for one of 2 reasons

You are symptomatic
You are a household contact of positive.

Both of which, even negatives 'paint a picture' as he put it. of non covid infections spreading making people symptomatic. Or, how long it takes a RAT to go positive when likely infected by household.

I was denied Picking up a pack for a friend with their order number. They couldn't verify the order number was valid, (and therefore assumed to meet the criteria?). So that's the other layer that is meant to clear up negative for the hell of it which yes, will distort stats.

He had a test last week and was meant to be given the rest of the box. So she probably thought I was taking the p.

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#2880280 7-Mar-2022 14:22

Am flying into NZ from Melbourne tomorrow. Was asked by Air NZ to participate in the pilot for the upcoming Traveller Declaration (which is different from the Nau Mai Rā declaration).

For some reason, everyone's came back with "No Isolation" except mine came back saying "You are required to enter a Managed Isolation and Quarantine (MIQ)[ facility due to a combination of factors including your vaccination status and the countries you have been to in the 14 days prior to your arrival in New Zealand."

I called them, as I am triple-vaxxed, haven't left Victoria and 2 years and have my negative pre-departure test. They had no idea why it said I had to go into MIQ and just told me to submit again. Did that and it came back "No Isolation". Hopefully they fix whatever glitch happened by the time it becomes mandatory at the end of this month as apparently the call centre have no ability to change anything, they can only view the details and provide advise on how to use the system. The person I spoke to was great, but just wasn't able to do anything about it apart from "pass it on to the IT team".

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#2880330 7-Mar-2022 15:11

Should be I worried?

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#2880360 7-Mar-2022 15:52

qwertee:

Should be I worried?

not really , Auckland has leveled right off and it is the other parts of the country that were a week or so behind Auckland in the outbreak that are now catching up

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2880411 7-Mar-2022 15:55

qwertee:

Should be I worried?

Yes we are just a "U+0020" away from a totally disaster (plus a previously unreported population jump of over 12,000,000) :)

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#2880421 7-Mar-2022 16:20

qwertee:

Should be I worried?

Covid-19: Daily community cases up to 17,522, 696 in hospital

Do we now need to add RNZ to "The dumbest Stuff or Herald headlines ..." thread. Then again, maybe it actually belongs into the Today's Whiskey Tango Foxtrot thread?

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#2880483 7-Mar-2022 16:59

Mum's rest home now RAT tests visitors before letting them through the front door, so I got one on Sunday - negative. So out of interest today I entered the negative result on the My Covid Record website. It was very quick and easy, but... did not allow the date to be entered and therefore recorded it with the incorrect today's date. So I just used the 20min window to delete it.

Anecdotally, I am personally seeing people with symptoms return negative results for several days before returning a positive. If symptomatic means infectious then these tests appear to be a bit worthless.

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#2880486 7-Mar-2022 17:21

johno1234:

Anecdotally, I am personally seeing people with symptoms return negative results for several days before returning a positive. If symptomatic means infectious then these tests appear to be a bit worthless.

If your viral load is high enough to be infectious, your RAT will very likely show positive. But one major limitation is that by not swabbing your throat, it seems to take a couple of extra days for the virus to show up in the nose.

I have no idea why NZ isn't doing throat swabs for PCR tests - the fact it's detected earlier in the throat than the nose is very well known internationally and nose+throat has been the norm here in Australia the whole pandemic.

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#2880589 7-Mar-2022 17:55

The spit tests aren't really reliable enough eh?

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#2880595 7-Mar-2022 18:32

quickymart:

The spit tests aren't really reliable enough eh?

not the same thing

you can use a RAT test and swab your throat.

or you can use a saliva test which is checked in a lab like a PCR test. this was/is used by front line workers MIQ ect

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#2880599 7-Mar-2022 18:50

I can't quite work out if they are being hush about being able to, or there are 2 distinct types.

The approved devices show

Sample type(s): Nasal, nasopharyngeal, or oropharyngeal swab

But the packaging and instructions are nasal. There may be 2 different packs of course. Or I imagine a heap of people are doing their gobs to be nicer anyway and just not admitting.

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#2880604 7-Mar-2022 18:57

ajobbins:

johno1234:

Anecdotally, I am personally seeing people with symptoms return negative results for several days before returning a positive. If symptomatic means infectious then these tests appear to be a bit worthless.

If your viral load is high enough to be infectious, your RAT will very likely show positive. But one major limitation is that by not swabbing your throat, it seems to take a couple of extra days for the virus to show up in the nose.

I have no idea why NZ isn't doing throat swabs for PCR tests - the fact it's detected earlier in the throat than the nose is very well known internationally and nose+throat has been the norm here in Australia the whole pandemic.

We are avoiding PCR tests now because the labs have insufficient capacity to process them. The could only do high numbers when then were pooling samples together - which works fine if they are all negative but as soon as one is positive the entire batch needs to be redone individually.

They were never PCR nose swabs but nasopharyngeal -- the top of the throat accessed via the nose. That is where the viral load is highest.

The RAT tests have a high false negative rate. I am seeing plenty negative for the first few days then all of a sudden positive.

From what I have seen Auckland isn't leveling off. It is a combination of false reassurance from negative RATS, lack of self reporting positives, and lack of swabbing (people wanting to avoid 10 days isolation).

Case numbers don't matter, it is hospitalizations that matter. Not a good time to need to go to hospital or need secondary/tertiary healthcare now . Heaps of non acute stuff now being put off and there will be a huge backlog once all this dies down.

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