2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2972901 26-Sep-2022 09:23

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In addition, the antivirals now widely available are highly effective.

Those of you who think this is over might want to consider the ten percent of Covid sufferers who get long Covid and don't recover from it, never mind other possible effects that emerge over time. I think I read the other day that something like 20,000 people in this country will end up disabled, possibly permanently, as a result of this.

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#2972949 26-Sep-2022 09:34

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so because someone doesn't wear a mask it means they consider you expendable? bit of a grasp there isn't it?

what were you doing to prevent yourself from getting influenza? has the had the same average yearly death rate in NZ pre covid.

You have said you wear a N95 type mask when you go out so im not sure what the issue is? you have protected yourself.

I was referring to the reasoning of the relevant authorities, not individuals who choose not to wear masks, but the fact is a calculation was made that the expected added number of elderly deaths were worth the political and economic benefit. I don't have a specific quote to hand, but I have seen statements from officials to this effect more than once.

What I do to avoid influenza is get the flu jab every year. I also avoid idiots who cough and sneeze in public.

The issue is that people foolishly assume Covid 19 has disappeared just because the mask mandate has been removed, and they blather on about how nice it is not to have foggy glasses. There is another perspective on that and I am expressing it.

“Blather”. “Whinge”. Time to accept other people have opinions and show a little respect.

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#2972952 26-Sep-2022 09:43

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“Blather”. “Whinge”. Time to accept other people have opinions and show a little respect.

Sorry for the colourful language but it works both ways. Those who don't want to wear masks need to consider others they may be exposing to added risk, and not just their own minor inconveniences. I wear a mask whenever I go out and my glasses also get foggy but I have learned to live with it. So can others. Complaining about this kind of thing is ignoring the inconvenient fact that others are put at added risk and that Covid has not in fact gone away. With everyone breathing on each other again, it is more likely than not that there will be another wave, maybe worse than the ones that have gone before. The virus is not standing still. It continues to evolve.

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#2972979 26-Sep-2022 11:34

I've moderated my mask wearing; not so much in huge open areas like big box retailers where I can mostly distance, but small places like book stores or specialist shops, absolutely. Same if I were to be flying or taking public transport.

My understanding is this is how most of Asia has treated flu season for many years pre-Covid.

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#2972993 26-Sep-2022 12:27

GV27:

I've moderated my mask wearing; not so much in huge open areas like big box retailers where I can mostly distance, but small places like book stores or specialist shops, absolutely. Same if I were to be flying or taking public transport.

My understanding is this is how most of Asia has treated flu season for many years pre-Covid.

Sensible and courteous.

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#2973307 27-Sep-2022 07:00

Canada drops vaccine requirement for entry - Oct 1 22

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62987945

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#2973342 27-Sep-2022 10:02

Research are now indicating that even getting a mild infection could increase the risks of the person having a heart attack and stroke.

https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-raises-the-chance-of-heart-attack-and-stroke-what-to-know-about-the-risks-ahead-190552

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#2973356 27-Sep-2022 10:05

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Research are now indicating that even getting a mild infection could increase the risks of the person having a heart attack and stroke.

https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-raises-the-chance-of-heart-attack-and-stroke-what-to-know-about-the-risks-ahead-190552

so does a lot of other things, we will all die of something.

have you checked your drinking water?

could be a lot sooner if some crazy guy up north does something crazy

i choose not to worry about stuff i can't control.

PS yes have had the covid, whole family have had it, mothers, great grandmothers etc, all have had the thing. wasn't pleasant.

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#2973402 27-Sep-2022 12:07

Batman:

BillyFieldman:

Research are now indicating that even getting a mild infection could increase the risks of the person having a heart attack and stroke.

https://theconversation.com/even-mild-covid-raises-the-chance-of-heart-attack-and-stroke-what-to-know-about-the-risks-ahead-190552

so does a lot of other things, we will all die of something.

That's a super unhelpful attitude from a public health perspective though.

A stroke or heat attack won't necessarily kill you. They might just temporarily or permanently disable you. Fun!

Edit: to say that also, getting infected is well within your control. Not 100%, but we've shown conclusively that you can significantly decrease your chances of getting it with some simple precautions.

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#2973534 27-Sep-2022 13:53

All I'm saying is there is no need to scare monger as one or two people are stressed already, there are many things that can cause stroke and heart attack including stress itself

And no I don't believe one can avoid covid all their life, for the next 100 years of living.

There are things like vaccine, antiviral, social isolation but none of them is a guarantee

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#2973539 27-Sep-2022 13:59

GV27:

I've moderated my mask wearing; not so much in huge open areas like big box retailers where I can mostly distance, but small places like book stores or specialist shops, absolutely. Same if I were to be flying or taking public transport.

My understanding is this is how most of Asia has treated flu season for many years pre-Covid.

If we are out, we are masked, and we still avoid shops as much as possible, we are doing far more online now.

I have friends who have cancer, so we do all we can not to add misery to their lives.

The "its over" is only so the government does not bleed more votes, but there will be an increase in infections and deaths.

Would we be so blasé if 58 people were shot last week ?

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#2973541 27-Sep-2022 14:02

Batman: All I'm saying is there is no need to scare monger as one or two people are stressed already, there are many things that can cause stroke and heart attack including stress itself

And no I don't believe one can avoid covid all their life, for the next 100 years of living.

There are things like vaccine, antiviral, social isolation but none of them is a guarantee

A seat belt is no guarantee either, in fact they have something like a 40% failure to prevent death rate.

Yet, they are compulsory.

Its not the flu, we are only just starting to understand the long term consequences (micro blood clotting in the organs, long covid, etc)

so Yeah we will do the best we can not to catch it.

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#2973557 27-Sep-2022 14:46

sir1963:

GV27:

I've moderated my mask wearing; not so much in huge open areas like big box retailers where I can mostly distance, but small places like book stores or specialist shops, absolutely. Same if I were to be flying or taking public transport.

My understanding is this is how most of Asia has treated flu season for many years pre-Covid.

If we are out, we are masked, and we still avoid shops as much as possible, we are doing far more online now.

I have friends who have cancer, so we do all we can not to add misery to their lives.

The "its over" is only so the government does not bleed more votes, but there will be an increase in infections and deaths.

Would we be so blasé if 58 people were shot last week ?

It's not just the government and votes. Epidemiologists have said that masks are no longer essential outside of medical and aged care facilities. I've posted comments from Michael Baker to this effect earlier in the thread.

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#2973562 27-Sep-2022 15:01

johno1234:

Epidemiologists have said that masks are no longer essential outside of medical and aged care facilities. I've posted comments from Michael Baker to this effect earlier in the thread.

Probably means not essential from an outbreak point of view. Individuals can have their own Covid definition of essential.

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#2973565 27-Sep-2022 15:06

tdgeek:

johno1234:

Epidemiologists have said that masks are no longer essential outside of medical and aged care facilities. I've posted comments from Michael Baker to this effect earlier in the thread.

Probably means not essential from an outbreak point of view. Individuals can have their own Covid definition of essential.

This one ?

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/470947/masks-need-to-be-mandated-in-most-indoor-settings-to-prevent-really-grim-winter-baker

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