2019 Novel Coronavirus Covid-19 Discussion

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#2448237 27-Mar-2020 17:16

Paul1977:

Are supermarket workers getting hazard pay? I'd imagine their normal pay probably isn't that great (I'd assume minimum wage for many of them?), I wouldn't want to be in there at minimum wage at the moment.

Nope - there was a good interview with a checkout manager on the Spinoff

Basically "they have been offered a shared lunch (which many are wary of right now, for obvious reasons) and their staff discount has been bumped from 5% to 10%, though for some at the end of their shift there's nothing left on the shelves."

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#2448239 27-Mar-2020 17:16

gchiu:
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Depends on the definition of too late I guess, but the modelling for NZ predicts thousands of reported cases, and having ICU beds per capita much lower than other western nations is a major problem. Remember 368 reported cases not even close to the actual number of cases, due to asymptomatic & reporting lag. Having only 150 available ICU (last I checked), only a few thousand reported cases could be crunch time for doctors choosing patients to die. I'm not sure how Kiwis are going to react to that...

My definition of too late is reaching 120,000 dead.

Remember that all of those surgical theatres can convert their anaesthetic equipment to run as ventilators, and we have all the anaesthetists can run them.

The modeling linked in an earlier post suggested that 80,000 dead would be expected if there was no control, but a few dozen with level 4 containment. But stopping level 4 would return us to the 80,000 dead situation. 40,000 simultaneous cases was the predicted tipping point where we would run out of ICU beds and the death rate skyrocket.

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#2448241 27-Mar-2020 17:19

gchiu:

MikeAqua:

Corona viruses as group have been around a long time. They have evolved to exploit how slowly humans react. Just have to ride it out until we have vaccine or herd immunity.

There is no herd immunity for the seasonal corona viruses that give us colds each year.

Yup - and there's no long-lasting vaccine for corona viruses in other species - such as the one that causes "viral bronchitis" in chickens. The vaccine doesn't last - and the disease itself causes long-lasting harm in that species, as does SARS in humans in some cases.

The "it's just the flu"denialists should be roasted, rendered, made into meal, and fed to the chickens.

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#2448243 27-Mar-2020 17:20

Following on from my earlier topic of my sister-in-laws internet and landline woes. Even though TrustPower stated that they were a "Critical or Vulnerable customer" TrustPower still could not send out a technician. But good news early evening last night their internet started working again but still no landline phone. As I stated in that post I managed to get them a mobile phone, their first. After another wee online chat this morning, they managed to set up a call divert from landline to mobile phone. Hooray. they still though, through lack of knowledge really do not know how to make an out going call on the touch screen android mobile. ☹️ I have also been made an authorised agent/relative.

So they can now Skype the kids in WA and UK and chat to their church friends (the husband is a retired Methodist priest).

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2448244 27-Mar-2020 17:21

philanyware:

Does anyone think it would be useful to know how long the queues are at essential businesses like supermarkets and pharmacies before you head down there?

Seems like Google Maps could show this info, similar to traffic congestion. That would shorten queues and reduce everyone's risk of exposure.

Got a couple of votes, so here's a link to a petition (the best way I could find to send Google a feature request) so we can ask Google to implement this:

https://www.change.org/p/google-maps-help-us-isolate-covid-19-by-showing-queue-congestion-at-essential-services

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#2448249 27-Mar-2020 17:26

gchiu:
My understanding is that placing these N95 masks in an oven at 70 C for 30 mins is enough to inactivate any virus and this without damaging the physical characteristics of the masks.

Read the paper that presented that result carefully, it comes with a lot of caveats.

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#2448253 27-Mar-2020 17:29

Cigarette filters also don't filter unless it's by drawing the virus through the flames. They're there to fool the users into believing they're safer than they are.

https://nypost.com/2019/10/24/cigarette-filters-could-increase-the-risk-of-lung-cancer-scientists-warn/

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#2448255 27-Mar-2020 17:30

ROFL at The Sun:

COV-IDIOTS

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#2448257 27-Mar-2020 17:32

cshwone:
According to Worldometer https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

the USA has now overtaken China with the most cases. really ominous for them.

And it should never have happened. The Global Health Security Index rates the US head and shoulders above every other country in terms of being set up to deal with this. Next highest, after a gap since the US is so far ahead, is the UK. That's the worst-hit country and what may end up being the second worst-hit country, the ones that started out being the best prepared for it.

Shows what totally incompetent "leadership" can do.

NZ is some way down, behind Italy notably. Which shows what good leadership can do.

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#2448260 27-Mar-2020 17:35

MikeAqua:

The system of govt is designed to be slow and not make rash decisions and senior people who work in govt are typically cowards who fear public backlash cowards. Govt is reactive, whereas you need to be proactive to beat corona. That is why we didn't go to L4 until a bunch of qualified people were screaming for it to happen.

Corona viruses as group have been around a long time. They have evolved to exploit how slowly humans react. Just have to ride it out until we have vaccine or herd immunity.

We can't develop herd immunity if we've shut down our borders and imposed a lockdown... Unlike countries like the UK, US and Australia where this may occur.

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#2448261 27-Mar-2020 17:37

mattwnz:

Those photos are somewhat bleak. But I noticed most people are wearing masks which potentially make them look more bleak, although masks in some countries have been the norm for some time as part of everyday life. When I was in Japan, many people had masks, as they don't want to spread any cold or sniffle they may have. That could be one reason why their rates aren't too bad.

Absolutely. And right now, Japan is in the middle of its hayfever season, for which masks can help a lot.

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#2448265 27-Mar-2020 17:42

sbiddle:

We can't develop herd immunity if we've shut down our borders and imposed a lockdown... Unlike countries like the UK, US and Australia where this may occur.

That is why the lock down should be used to eradicate and stave it of hosts. eg what China appears to be doing. WHO has said that countries have to get rid of it. Test Test Test. We need to Test Test Test while in lockdown to identify who has it, and who hasn't, otherwise we are flying blind. Bill Gates Interview backs this up. He was staying we need to get transmission rates down from about 2.5, to about 0.4. Apparently under 1 and it will die off. Lockdown can result in this, but from what I have seen, it appears there are still some people not doing it properly.

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#2448268 27-Mar-2020 17:42

sbiddle:

We can't develop herd immunity if we've shut down our borders and imposed a lockdown... Unlike countries like the UK, US and Australia where this may occur.

They probably can't achieve herd immunity either. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest that being infected provides long term immunity - and a ton of evidence to suggest it probably won't.

The US will deliberately kill millions in the meantime though *praying for a miracle* - because the country is being run by morons.

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#2448273 27-Mar-2020 17:43

Fred99:

Yup - and there's no long-lasting vaccine for corona viruses in other species - such as the one that causes "viral bronchitis" in chickens. The vaccine doesn't last - and the disease itself causes long-lasting harm in that species, as does SARS in humans in some cases.

The "it's just the flu"denialists should be roasted, rendered, made into meal, and fed to the chickens.

I read that more closely related coronaviruses like SARS can only be contracted once (in most cases), and that COVID-19 doesn't mutate to the same degree as seasonal flu. If this is true then a single vaccine may work for many years.

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#2448292 27-Mar-2020 17:46

sbiddle:
We can't develop herd immunity if we've shut down our borders and imposed a lockdown... Unlike countries like the UK, US and Australia where this may occur.

And that's the keyword, "may". We have no idea whether this will work or not, so lockdown is preferable to being Covid19 Immunity Experiment Test Subject A.

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