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#2453792 3-Apr-2020 14:10

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Fred99:

See my post above - they had 49 "confirmed" (ie by rRT-PCR) and 22 "probable" (ie negative test - or tests not yet completed/reported)

That seems like a quick turnaround. They tested 3446 yesterday, thats anytime from say 8am to 8pm and all tests were completed and resulted? I thought it was at least 24 hours to get a result, and possibly some delay in transporting to the labs?

The data posted by @policyguy was date of report - not date of test.

Not sure how quickly tests can be done now - there are many labs doing testing.
I believe there's also a problem as the reagents (and presumably equipment used) are used for other diagnostic tests, testing for those has been suspended. It's not a good time to get the clap (if ever there was a good time).

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#2453794 3-Apr-2020 14:11

tdgeek:

Fred99:

See my post above - they had 49 "confirmed" (ie by rRT-PCR) and 22 "probable" (ie negative test - or tests not yet completed/reported)

That seems like a quick turnaround. They tested 3446 yesterday, thats anytime from say 8am to 8pm and all tests were completed and resulted? I thought it was at least 24 hours to get a result, and possibly some delay in transporting to the labs?

It's 24-48 hours from when the patient gets tested (swabbed). I understand the daily test numbers we hear are the lab tests (not the number of swabs). Once the lab has done their testing of the swab they know the result (and can report). there is then a lag for it to get to the patient again, which makes the 24-48 hour lag...

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#2453801 3-Apr-2020 14:21

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I agree too, I see another 2 weeks, that makes 6, enougb for the infected to cure and be immune, and 6 weeks where it cannot easily spread. It depends how much effect the flouters have. Matamata has 47 cases from one pub, a cluster. An example what a group of boozing flouters could do, then send it to supermarkets

Lets aim for 6 week, see where we are at

Sorry, but I think your comments are a bit harsh. The gathering that you mention took place on the 17th March. We were all going to school, going to work and, yes, going out for a drink together at this time. I don't know any of the other circumstances - I hadn't heard that it had been traced to the supermarkets. Could you post where you got this information please?

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#2453806 3-Apr-2020 14:30

gzt:
My first thought was along the lines of timewasters calling this line. In retrospect there could be serious cases and it's sensible to have an option for it. As an afterthought, it must be nice for the police to have a break from dealing with traffic incidents at this time. Now they get to explain epidemiology instead ; )

We reported someone at the beginning of the week via the website form, and as of today the person is still doing it. I did give the registration plate of the car of person, so it shouldn't have been too difficult for them to get in contact with the person. Whether the police have contacted them, I don't know, but they didn't contact us, and we were required to put our name and number on the form. But apparently they have had thousands of submissions on the website form and it crashed, so maybe they never received it or just busy. I do understand their resources are likely stretched, with also having to check on people who should be self isolating who have returned from overseas etc. It would be a difficult job at the moment.

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#2453807 3-Apr-2020 14:31

traderstu:

tdgeek:

I agree too, I see another 2 weeks, that makes 6, enougb for the infected to cure and be immune, and 6 weeks where it cannot easily spread. It depends how much effect the flouters have. Matamata has 47 cases from one pub, a cluster. An example what a group of boozing flouters could do, then send it to supermarkets

Lets aim for 6 week, see where we are at

Sorry, but I think your comments are a bit harsh. The gathering that you mention took place on the 17th March. We were all going to school, going to work and, yes, going out for a drink together at this time. I don't know any of the other circumstances - I hadn't heard that it had been traced to the supermarkets. Could you post where you got this information please?

Sorry, not harsh, bad sentence structure. Not blaming the Matamata pub. Meaning that 6 weeks gives us more leeway to allow infections to cure. If flouters caused an unnecessary infection, the Matamata pub example shows how far it can get away.

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#2453808 3-Apr-2020 14:31

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120792472/coronavirus-health-minister-david-clark-apologises-to-the-prime-minister-for-mountain-bike-ride

Minister of Health apologizes for his mountain bike ride.

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#2453809 3-Apr-2020 14:35

Jacinda is now saying the covid-19 lock-down may well extend beyond four weeks. No surprise there. If we are going to be stuck at home for an extended period I'd really like to expand what I can do in the home workshop, but that is currently not doable from domestic suppliers. What I'd like to add is a bench grinder/belt sander, but if I order one from Amazon will it end up stuck at the border until goodness knows when? I suspect that several items I sourced from Wish and Bangood well before the lock-down, must already be stuck — our rural postie says she is delivering all parcels that get to her.

Any thoughts on that? Would it be compromising the lock-down for instance? The virus can last a good 48 hours on some surfaces (like those shiny plastic courier bags). While infection from the original handlers of the package are unlikely to remain active say a week after dispatch, there is still the chance of subsequent handlers touching a package and passing it along. We have had a cell phone battery delivered after ordering it from PB Tech the very last day they were still open. Has anyone received parcels from Amazon since lock-down?

BTW I normally rely on the machine tools at the Menz Shed I belong to. Goodness knows when we'll be getting back to places like that.

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#2453811 3-Apr-2020 14:36

rhy7s:

Maybe not a breeding ground as such (being viral rather than bacterial) but I've been out twice for shopping and the mask use I've noticed just seems like keeping a talismanic regularly handled/adjusted/removed salivary concentration sponge on your face. Often removed to talk when at closest proximity to others or to eat finger food. Unless you're in a situation like crowded public transport, it just seems like masks on average would be more often working against their intended purpose.

As everyone is supposed to act like they already have the virus, wouldn't a mask be a benefit if someone coughs, sneezes, or talks and sprays, in catching that virus spray? Apparently it can travel 6-8 feet.

In Asia they are used to wearing them. In NZ we would need an education campaign to the average Joe, on how to wear them. Some people however would know how to put them on, and take them off correctly, esp if they have worked in the medical field

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#2453812 3-Apr-2020 14:37

Looks like movie theater chain AMC in the U.S. are about to go under :(

https://www.thewrap.com/amcs-credit-rating-downgraded-by-sp-with-recovery-unlikely/

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#2453818 3-Apr-2020 14:44

eracode: Just got back from the supermarket and there was a bloke rushing round the shop who had brought 15kg of paella rice, 5 cases of tequila, 8 sombreros and 12 piñatas.

Blatant case of Hispanic buying.

I think this joke has caused a Mexican standoff :)

By the way, I went to the University of Guadalajara. I suspect most Hispanic would say that tequila, sombreros and 12 piñatas are specific to Mexico rather than Hispanic.

It would like saying white people vote Republican, driving gas guzzling cars on the highway and enjoy watching the NFL Super Bowl. It mixes up a broad culture with a specific nationality.

So no need to be offended by a joke that wouldn't offend the recipient.

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#2453825 3-Apr-2020 14:47

Zepanda66:
Looks like movie theater chain AMC in the U.S. are about to go under :(https://www.thewrap.com/amcs-credit-rating-downgraded-by-sp-with-recovery-unlikely/

I've heard the remaining drive-ins are doing well.

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#2453847 3-Apr-2020 15:05

TLD:

Jacinda is now saying the covid-19 lock-down may well extend beyond four weeks. No surprise there. If we are going to be stuck at home for an extended period I'd really like to expand what I can do in the home workshop, but that is currently not doable from domestic suppliers. What I'd like to add is a bench grinder/belt sander, but if I order one from Amazon will it end up stuck at the border until goodness knows when? I suspect that several items I sourced from Wish and Bangood well before the lock-down, must already be stuck — our rural postie says she is delivering all parcels that get to her.

Any thoughts on that? Would it be compromising the lock-down for instance? The virus can last a good 48 hours on some surfaces (like those shiny plastic courier bags). While infection from the original handlers of the package are unlikely to remain active say a week after dispatch, there is still the chance of subsequent handlers touching a package and passing it along. We have had a cell phone battery delivered after ordering it from PB Tech the very last day they were still open. Has anyone received parcels from Amazon since lock-down?

BTW I normally rely on the machine tools at the Menz Shed I belong to. Goodness knows when we'll be getting back to places like that.

If you cant get it locally - you SHOULDNT be ordering it from overseas!

We have got a major problem with limited incoming freight capacity - STOP making it worse! with non-essential stuff!

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#2453849 3-Apr-2020 15:08

TLD:

Jacinda is now saying the covid-19 lock-down may well extend beyond four weeks. No surprise there. If we are going to be stuck at home for an extended period I'd really like to expand what I can do in the home workshop, but that is currently not doable from domestic suppliers. What I'd like to add is a bench grinder/belt sander, but if I order one from Amazon will it end up stuck at the border until goodness knows when? I suspect that several items I sourced from Wish and Bangood well before the lock-down, must already be stuck — our rural postie says she is delivering all parcels that get to her.

Any thoughts on that? Would it be compromising the lock-down for instance? The virus can last a good 48 hours on some surfaces (like those shiny plastic courier bags). While infection from the original handlers of the package are unlikely to remain active say a week after dispatch, there is still the chance of subsequent handlers touching a package and passing it along. We have had a cell phone battery delivered after ordering it from PB Tech the very last day they were still open. Has anyone received parcels from Amazon since lock-down?

BTW I normally rely on the machine tools at the Menz Shed I belong to. Goodness knows when we'll be getting back to places like that.

I hear ya about Menzshed. I've got a few things I'd love to be doing in there but they'll have to wait. I can still do some projects at home.

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#2453873 3-Apr-2020 15:27

Press release:

The Government will be introducing legislation to make changes to the Companies Act to help companies facing insolvency due to COVID-19 to remain viable and keep New Zealanders in jobs.

The temporary changes include:

Giving directors of companies facing significant liquidity problems because of COVID-19 a ‘safe harbour’ from insolvency duties under the Companies Act,
enabling businesses affected by COVID-19 to place existing debts into hibernation until they are able to start trading normally again,
allowing the use of electronic signatures where necessary due to COVID-19 restrictions,
giving the Registrar of Companies the power to temporarily extend deadlines imposed on companies, incorporated societies, charitable trusts and other entities under legislation, and
giving temporary relief for entities that are unable to comply with requirements in their constitutions or rules because of COVID-19.

“These measures will support the Government’s work to cushion the economic impact for New Zealand and to support businesses and protect jobs and incomes,” Finance Minister Grant Robertson said.

“We are announcing these decisions now to give businesses certainty that these measures are being worked through. We will be asking Parliament to agree to make some of these changes retrospective.

“While they will help increase certainty and provide practical assistance to business owners and directors, the changes must not be seen as a workaround for obligations to creditors and the responsibility of directors to act in good faith.

“I want to emphasise that these changes will not mean that directors are free to disregard the consequences of their actions for the next six months. Other protections in the Companies Act, such as those addressing serious breaches of the duty to act in good faith and punishing those who dishonestly incur debts, will remain in place,” Grant Robertson said.

Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said the changes would help retain jobs and support the New Zealand economy to recover as quickly as possible.

“We know that, whether real or perceived, the threat of a director being held personally liable for a company’s solvency problems will likely make them inclined to advise closing down a business,” Consumer Affairs Minister Kris Faafoi said.

“A ‘safe harbour’ will help them keep trading, rather than prematurely closing up, which will minimise disruption to the economy as much as possible,” Kris Faafoi said.

The proposed move to place existing debts into hibernation, to be known as a Business Debt Hibernation (BDH), would only happen with the agreement of 50 per cent of a business’s creditors.

“Going into a Business Debt Hibernation will give businesses the space to talk to their creditors about prioritising paying some debts, and deferring others for six months,” Grant Robertson said.

”It is inevitable that some businesses are going to have to go into liquidation. However these measures provide an accessible and pragmatic means of helping some businesses to weather the storm in a way that does as little harm as possible to creditors’ interests,” Grant Robertson said.

He urged businesses to talk to their creditors and banks, and also reminded them that the Government had a Wage Subsidy scheme in place as well as a Business Finance Guarantee Scheme, which can offer loans up to $500,000 over three years.

For more information, go to www.companiesoffice.govt.nz

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#2453879 3-Apr-2020 15:39

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BBC News - Coronavirus: US Navy captain pleads for help over outbreak

31 March 2020

The captain of a US aircraft carrier carrying more than 4,000 crew has called for urgent help to halt a coronavirus outbreak on his ship.

The sequel ...

The Washington Post - Navy removes captain who raised alarm about covid-19 on USS Theodore Roosevelt

today

The Navy on Thursday removed the captain of an aircraft carrier crippled by the coronavirus, two days after a blunt letter the officer wrote warning the service of the need to get more sailors off the vessel created a furor.

Navy Capt. Brett Crozier, the commanding officer of the USS Theodore Roosevelt, was relieved of command at the direction of acting Navy secretary Thomas Modly....

The captain will soon be replaced by the ship’s former commanding officer, Capt. Carlos Sardiello, who already has been selected for promotion to rear admiral. ...

EDIT: This sounds like the recent Chinese approach to Covid-19 management - shoot the messenger. 😮

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