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#2189405 1-Mar-2019 13:54

Fred99:

HcoNmeM:

Fred99:

HcoNmeM:

Come on.. even if you don't like it.. there is proof it worked.. she was not sick once after that.. she was never re-admitted to hospital..

People get over stuff anyway - especially morning sickness, hence a huge range of quack remedies and folk law "cures" that some people think "work".

What you did was stupid and illegal.

No.. what I did was save my wife from morning sickness that lasts the whole pregnancy with her.. the whole time if she didn't she'd be sick all day..

That's not stupid.. the idea that doing something rather than nothing is the best thing I could have done..

I understand your ignorance towards it.. not looking for your opinion.. just stating facts!!

No you didn't. You rejected probably appropriate medical advice and treatment because you thought you knew better, and chose to do administer to your wife an (illegal) drug of unknown strength, purity, and efficacy, for which you're as ignorant as anybody else as to the possibility of side effects to an unborn child.

And you're accusing me of "ignorance".

Clueless and yet dangerously advocating something incredibly dumb on a public forum.

No absolutely not, I'm not accusing you of anything..

But your view is very narrow minded and your comments are so heavily one sided.. you're not even prepared to open your mind to the fact that it did work.. there was no side effects at all.. the strength of it was know.. the purity and efficacy was known.. I'm absolutely not advocating something on a public forum.. I'm sharing a situation that happened in case others have tried all "legal" options that still fail and have never thought of it..

Actually I didn't ignore medical advice.. I followed the advice of the pharmercutical companies warning on the label of their product.. And yes.. we did know better.. a doctor who has never met us knows her better than herself?
And.. I've been recently diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver, due to being an alcoholic in my youth..

My specialist has given medical advice (note.. this is from a Gastroenterology & Hepatology specialist at a hospital in NZ) for pain relief.. nothing stronger than panadol.. and if I need more relief.. smoke cannabis..

I said but that's not legal.. doesn't that have side effects? No.. it side steps your liver and causes no harm..

So.. no disrespect.. but I 100% reject your view/opinion..

Again.. I mean no disrespect to anyone.. just sharing my story and asked a few questions around vaccination..

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#2189408 1-Mar-2019 14:06

HcoNmeM: Also.. one of my best friends lost his son from Meningitis.. 2 weeks after the last vaccination shot for the very strain that killed him..

At first it took his arms and legs.. but then it took his life.. How do we actually know these are safe? because a doctor or a pharmaceutical company say it's safe?

I believe you mean the Meningococcal disease (Neisseria meningitidis bacterium) of which there are two components: a)Meningitis which is a bacterial infection of the membranes that cover the brain and spinal cord and b) Meningococcal septicaemia which is a bacterial infection of the blood and this causes severe damage to the peripheral blood vessels first then spreads internally.

Vaccines work very well in the large majority of cases. Most vaccines take about 30 days to fully settle in and train the "helper T-cells" to recognise the targeted virus and then they tell the "Killer T-cells" to go and do their job when required. Your friends son was definitely not fully immune at the time of his illness and if he was already run down with another illness, like a cold, then the immune system was certainly in overdrive and over strained and not fully prepared for the Meningococcal virus. It is not a good idea to give vaccinations when you are already run down with an existing illness, whatever that illness is.

Condolences to your friends son. I have nursed children with this horrible disease and I have nursed my partner after nearly loosing him, only by a couple of hours according to the ED trauma doctor, to the double whammy of meningitis and septicaemia. After 4 days of induced coma in ICU and 5 days on the ward he was discharged into my care at home only because I was a nurse. I gave him home IV max dose antibiotics via a special IV long line direct to just outside the heart via the vena cava vein for 2 weeks twice a day. Then 4 weeks of oral twice a day. Nearly missed our trip to China because of it. All very traumatic and dramatic.

The portal of his attack was via a hole in his Eustachian tube into the brain. The doctors believe the hole or weakness had been there all his life and just by the act of blowing his nose very hard it blew through into the meninges. Six months after the infection which has affected his hearing and reaction times a tiny bit, they operated by cutting out a 3" diameter horse shoe shaped piece of skull bone just above the ear, moving the brain aside and using the bone dust and some special glue they patched up the hole, then using titanium rivets reattached the piece of bone.

As I mentioned in another post early in this topic, we are dealing with viruses the deadliest organism know to us.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_viruses) A virus is a biological agent that reproduces inside the cells of living hosts. When infected by a virus, a host cell is forced to produce thousands of identical copies of the original virus at an extraordinary rate. Viruses contain genes, which gives them the ability to mutate and evolve. Over 5,000 species of viruses have been discovered.

Whilst the difficult we can do immediately, the impossible takes a bit longer. However, miracles you will have to wait for.

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#2189416 1-Mar-2019 14:20

HcoNmeM:
No absolutely not, I'm not accusing you of anything..

But your view is very narrow minded and your comments are so heavily one sided.. you're not even prepared to open your mind to the fact that it did work.. there was no side effects at all.. the strength of it was know.. the purity and efficacy was known.. I'm absolutely not advocating something on a public forum.. I'm sharing a situation that happened in case others have tried all "legal" options that still fail and have never thought of it..

Actually I didn't ignore medical advice.. I followed the advice of the pharmercutical companies warning on the label of their product.. And yes.. we did know better.. a doctor who has never met us knows her better than herself?
And.. I've been recently diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver, due to being an alcoholic in my youth..

My specialist has given medical advice (note.. this is from a Gastroenterology & Hepatology specialist at a hospital in NZ) for pain relief.. nothing stronger than panadol.. and if I need more relief.. smoke cannabis..

I said but that's not legal.. doesn't that have side effects? No.. it side steps your liver and causes no harm..

So.. no disrespect.. but I 100% reject your view/opinion..

Again.. I mean no disrespect to anyone.. just sharing my story and asked a few questions around vaccination..

#chur

So, is your kid vaccinated?

(I don't care about the cannabis thing. Frankly it shouldn't be illegal, but that's for another thread if someone wants to start one up).

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#2189424 1-Mar-2019 14:37

irongarment:

(I don't care about the cannabis thing. Frankly it shouldn't be illegal, but that's for another thread if someone wants to start one up).

Nor do I - and there are plenty of active threads on cannabis/medical cannabis legalisation/decriminalisation - no need to start a new one.

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#2189425 1-Mar-2019 14:38

I outright reject your suggestion that marijuana is an appropriate treatment for morning sickness. There are plenty of smoking guns suggesting its use in pregnancy is harmful to the child, animal studies back this up, human trials aren't ethical, evidence from (small) population studies suggest that there's actually a higher incidence of severe morning sickness in woman who used marijuana before or during pregnancy, there's even a condition (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) causing severe vomiting in some (possibly up to 30%) of long-term daily marijuana users. So "a cone a day keeps the doctor away" is far fetched fantasy.

Pharmaceutical companies are extremely risk-averse. Some drugs have risks if used during pregnancy, those risks may be only during early stages (ie first trimester etc) but otherwise safe, and/or the risk of harm may be less than the risk of not receiving the treatment (hyperemesis gravis is a serious risk to the mother and unborn child).

Call that "one-sided" if you like - I reject that.

I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis. By "no side effects" - I'm sure he means to your liver. Of course it has other side effects - probably low risk and not too bad for an adult. Do I disagree with you using it? Nope - I would definitely give it a try too.

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#2189431 1-Mar-2019 14:44

Fred99:
I outright reject your suggestion that marijuana is an appropriate treatment for morning sickness. There are plenty of smoking guns suggesting its use in pregnancy is harmful to the child, animal studies back this up, human trials aren't ethical, evidence from (small) population studies suggest that there's actually a higher incidence of severe morning sickness in woman who used marijuana before or during pregnancy, there's even a condition (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) causing severe vomiting in some (possibly up to 30%) of long-term daily marijuana users. So "a cone a day keeps the doctor away" is far fetched fantasy.

Pharmaceutical companies are extremely risk-averse. Some drugs have risks if used during pregnancy, those risks may be only during early stages (ie first trimester etc) but otherwise safe, and/or the risk of harm may be less than the risk of not receiving the treatment (hyperemesis gravis is a serious risk to the mother and unborn child).

Call that "one-sided" if you like - I reject that.

I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis. By "no side effects" - I'm sure he means to your liver. Of course it has other side effects - probably low risk and not too bad for an adult. Do I disagree with you using it? Nope - I would definitely give it a try too.

This thread is about vaccination.

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#2189435 1-Mar-2019 14:49

Fred99:

I outright reject your suggestion that marijuana is an appropriate treatment for morning sickness. There are plenty of smoking guns suggesting its use in pregnancy is harmful to the child, animal studies back this up, human trials aren't ethical, evidence from (small) population studies suggest that there's actually a higher incidence of severe morning sickness in woman who used marijuana before or during pregnancy, there's even a condition (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) causing severe vomiting in some (possibly up to 30%) of long-term daily marijuana users. So "a cone a day keeps the doctor away" is far fetched fantasy.

Pharmaceutical companies are extremely risk-averse. Some drugs have risks if used during pregnancy, those risks may be only during early stages (ie first trimester etc) but otherwise safe, and/or the risk of harm may be less than the risk of not receiving the treatment (hyperemesis gravis is a serious risk to the mother and unborn child).

Call that "one-sided" if you like - I reject that.

I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis. By "no side effects" - I'm sure he means to your liver. Of course it has other side effects - probably low risk and not too bad for an adult. Do I disagree with you using it? Nope - I would definitely give it a try too.

Well I'm going on what I've seen and experienced..

As a partner who had run out of options.. that was my last resort..

I do not and will not accept that it has caused any harm whatsoever..

If you met my son, you'd understand.. what side effects?!

However.. my view and opinion still stands..

* again.. I hope no offense has been felt.. that was never my intention.. :)

I'm passionate about this and I'm not the only one who has had an identical situation and outcome..

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#2189438 1-Mar-2019 14:51

Fred99:

I outright reject your suggestion that marijuana is an appropriate treatment for morning sickness. There are plenty of smoking guns suggesting its use in pregnancy is harmful to the child, animal studies back this up, human trials aren't ethical, evidence from (small) population studies suggest that there's actually a higher incidence of severe morning sickness in woman who used marijuana before or during pregnancy, there's even a condition (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) causing severe vomiting in some (possibly up to 30%) of long-term daily marijuana users. So "a cone a day keeps the doctor away" is far fetched fantasy.

Pharmaceutical companies are extremely risk-averse. Some drugs have risks if used during pregnancy, those risks may be only during early stages (ie first trimester etc) but otherwise safe, and/or the risk of harm may be less than the risk of not receiving the treatment (hyperemesis gravis is a serious risk to the mother and unborn child).

Call that "one-sided" if you like - I reject that.

I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis. By "no side effects" - I'm sure he means to your liver. Of course it has other side effects - probably low risk and not too bad for an adult. Do I disagree with you using it? Nope - I would definitely give it a try too.

Carry it on here guys.

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#2189440 1-Mar-2019 14:53

irongarment:

This thread is about vaccination.

It was until halfway down the 5th page, when it was suggested by an (apparent) anti-vaxxer that "a cone a day" cured hyperemesis gravidarum, was risk free (to the unborn child), and "safer" than what a doctor prescribed (off-label).

Back to topic - if there's anything left to add.

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#2189441 1-Mar-2019 14:53

HcoNmeM:
Fred99:

I outright reject your suggestion that marijuana is an appropriate treatment for morning sickness. There are plenty of smoking guns suggesting its use in pregnancy is harmful to the child, animal studies back this up, human trials aren't ethical, evidence from (small) population studies suggest that there's actually a higher incidence of severe morning sickness in woman who used marijuana before or during pregnancy, there's even a condition (cannabinoid hyperemesis syndrome) causing severe vomiting in some (possibly up to 30%) of long-term daily marijuana users. So "a cone a day keeps the doctor away" is far fetched fantasy.

Pharmaceutical companies are extremely risk-averse. Some drugs have risks if used during pregnancy, those risks may be only during early stages (ie first trimester etc) but otherwise safe, and/or the risk of harm may be less than the risk of not receiving the treatment (hyperemesis gravis is a serious risk to the mother and unborn child).

Call that "one-sided" if you like - I reject that.

I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis. By "no side effects" - I'm sure he means to your liver. Of course it has other side effects - probably low risk and not too bad for an adult. Do I disagree with you using it? Nope - I would definitely give it a try too.

Well I'm going on what I've seen and experienced..

As a partner who had run out of options.. that was my last resort..

I do not and will not accept that it has caused any harm whatsoever..

If you met my son, you'd understand.. what side effects?!

However.. my view and opinion still stands..

* again.. I hope no offense has been felt.. that was never my intention.. :)

I'm passionate about this and I'm not the only one who has had an identical situation and outcome..

So, anyway, is he vaccinated?

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#2189532 1-Mar-2019 17:44

And then there was 5.

Pre schooler. Watch it explode now.

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#2189587 1-Mar-2019 19:12

No my kid(s) aren't vaxxed. That'd be because (as far as I know) I don't have any of the little bastards.

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#2189610 1-Mar-2019 20:12

The earlier claim about medical companies not being interested in cannabis is also untrue.

https://www.nbr.co.nz/story/stakes-are-high-medicinal-cannabis-business

Although paywalled, article states that cannabis has the potential to become a Billion dollar industry in NZ. And it discusses 6 large companies that are investing in cannabis. And the very rich people that are backing them.

And this is the website of one of the biggest cannabis companies in NZ https://www.helius.co.nz/

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#2190377 3-Mar-2019 18:31

Somehow I missed this thread when it started. Although the astonishingly irresponsible person who gave dope to his pregnant wife has now been banned, I feel I should state my position here because I have taken a very public stance on marijuana use and legalisation. First, though, I am strongly pro-vaccination and pro-science. Speaking generally, I have a hard time understanding the primitive superstitious conspiracy nonsense of those who chuck out decades and decades of painstaking scientific research in favour of some quack guru who talks to angels or snake oil merchant who claims to have discovered some magic elixir. I cannot fathom why there are so many people in the world who reject learning and real knowledge in favour of ignorance and stupidity. The value and importance of vaccinations has been established again and again. Anyone who questions this is not worth talking to. A shame for your kids but you are too blinkered to have a meaningful discussion with. What makes people so quick to imagine harm from something that is so overwhelmingly beneficial? I truly don't get it.

As far as marijuana (or any other drug) goes, I am strongly in favour of regulated legalisation. Repression has been tried nearly everywhere for a very long time, and it doesn't work. But just because I think marijuana in particular should not be criminalised, does not mean I advocate that it or any other drug be used in such a wildly irresponsible manner. Encouraging a pregnant woman to use it for morning sickness is irresponsible to the point of criminality. It doesn't matter if it seemed to work or not, or if the child turned out well. That is evidence of nothing. Taking that kind of ignorance-based risk with a developing foetus qualifies as assault in my opinion. Anyone who does that probably should not be allowed to have children. It is known that pregnant women who drink harm their children. Those who inhale cannabis may do so as well. Until there is unambiguous certainty about that, what kind of person wants to gamble their children's future on it?

Edited to tone down some over-emotional content

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