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#2545506 20-Aug-2020 18:11

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Then what? If a New Zealand citizen test positive would you prevent the person from boarding? Would you leave the citizen stranded on the other side? Because that's what National wants to do.

This has been happening for some time with reduced and cancelled flights due to quarantine capacity. What's the practical difference?

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#2545510 20-Aug-2020 18:15

Handle9:

freitasm:

Then what? If a New Zealand citizen test positive would you prevent the person from boarding? Would you leave the citizen stranded on the other side? Because that's what National wants to do.

This has been happening for some time with reduced and cancelled flights due to quarantine capacity. What's the practical difference?

A citizen being temporarily stranded because of flight capacity, cancelled flights or quarantine capacity is way different from blocking a citizen to come back.

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#2545514 20-Aug-2020 18:18

freitasm:

Handle9:

This has been happening for some time with reduced and cancelled flights due to quarantine capacity. What's the practical difference?

A citizen being temporarily stranded because of flight capacity, cancelled flights or quarantine capacity is way different from blocking a citizen to come back.

Citizens are currently prevented from coming back if they are sick. You are not meant to fly. Once they are not sick then they can travel.

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#2545515 20-Aug-2020 18:22

freitasm:

@concordnz: Other countries are requiring Tests before flying.

It's a perfectly acceptable strategy.

If we can reduce the number of infected coming into the country - we significantly reduce the border risk & protect our people & economy.

Then what? If a New Zealand citizen test positive would you prevent the person from boarding? Would you leave the citizen stranded on the other side? Because that's what National wants to do.

And what if a person is tested three days before flying? Would the policy still require a 14 day quarantine even with a negative test?

Did they think the whole thing through?

I think it would have to be treated on a case by case basis based in circumstance, but people shouldn't fly when sick anyway. I am not sure if that is in the airlines terms and conditions or not. We need to look at what other countries are doing that require it, as it looks like this is becoming standard practice in other countries based on a previous poster. Airlines have to also manage risk too, so they have to reduce the risk of other passengers catching it.

Yes they would still need the 14 day quarantine because they wouldn't have done that, and they may catch the virus during travel, which seems a common way of catching it.

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#2545516 20-Aug-2020 18:24

Handle9:

freitasm:

Then what? If a New Zealand citizen test positive would you prevent the person from boarding? Would you leave the citizen stranded on the other side? Because that's what National wants to do.

This has been happening for some time with reduced and cancelled flights due to quarantine capacity. What's the practical difference?

I haven't seen any criticism about them doing that either, even though I expected there to be.

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#2546494 20-Aug-2020 18:33

So last count I heard, 340,000 vehicles arrived at the 10 day US motorcycle event in Sturgis.

At least one infectious person spent over 5 hours in the most popular bar, potentially infecting thousands of bikers.

This visualization shows where people came from. Just imagine it in reverse to see where people will be returning.

Sturgis Here We Come...

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"As one of the largest public gatherings since the emergence of COVID-19, the Sturgis motorcycle rally has attracted significant attention around the world. We wanted to see what the migration to Sturgis really looked like when you examine the data, and see if we could offer valuable insights to improve public health, economic considerations, and social policy.

Take a look at Part 1 of our multi-part Sturgis series and let us know what other analysis you'd like to see visualized!"

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#2546502 20-Aug-2020 18:44

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#2546572 20-Aug-2020 20:35

MikeB4:

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To be honest, whether it was a surface or hanging droplets isn't the material issue....

it is are we accepting of the 11 day incubation period before symptoms??....

Isn't the incubation period before symptoms become apparent is up to 14 days with an average circa 5 days?

i thought it was 2-5 days from the latest data. don't quote me though.

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#2546606 20-Aug-2020 20:56

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MikeB4:

Isn't the incubation period before symptoms become apparent is up to 14 days with an average circa 5 days?

i thought it was 2-5 days from the latest data. don't quote me though.

I think the ~ 5 days average is assumed to be about right. Maybe you've read that from time you're infected, you could be infectious after a few days, a couple of days before onset of any symptoms. If true, that might partly explain how hard it is to contain outbreaks - even if the community is aware of the need to be tested and isolate if any symptoms appear.

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#2546607 20-Aug-2020 20:57

JaseNZ:

National are saying they would do suburb and or street lockdowns, Good luck with trying that. 😂

Isn't that the "Melbourne Strategy"?
And we all know how well that went

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#2546631 20-Aug-2020 21:37

Politicians need to wake up and realise they know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.The public need to realise we know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.

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#2546634 20-Aug-2020 21:54

Experience of a 34year old Doctor in Melbourne who ended up on a ventilator
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/emergency-doctor-with-coronavirus-put-on-ventilator-in-icu/12578644

Its not just old or pre-existing conditions , just the random Covid lotto machine .

Biology is nasty no solid rules more guidelines like the pirate code.

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#2546653 20-Aug-2020 23:14

MikeB4:
Politicians need to wake up and realise they know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.The public need to realise we know jack about managing this virus and let the professionals do their jobs.

Given the dubious performance of some of the professionals we should be grateful to have reasonable oversight. After all the professionals didn't bother to test Thelma and Fluese before releasing them, test most of the people working at the border, bother to read the law before lockdown, read the law around considering compassionate release, have any form of testing at the border or tell the truth about what they were doing.

There is desperate need for proper oversight and supervision of the professionals as well as an opposition asking all sorts of difficult questions the government doesn't want to answer. That's how our system of government is designed to work and without it an even bigger disaster will happen.

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#2546657 20-Aug-2020 23:48

Handle9:

Given the dubious performance of some of the professionals we should be grateful to have reasonable oversight. After all the professionals didn't bother to test Thelma and Fluese before releasing them, test most of the people working at the border, bother to read the law before lockdown, read the law around considering compassionate release, have any form of testing at the border or tell the truth about what they were doing.

There is desperate need for proper oversight and supervision of the professionals as well as an opposition asking all sorts of difficult questions the government doesn't want to answer. That's how our system of government is designed to work and without it an even bigger disaster will happen.

Just watched a health professional explaining vaccines contain very bad things ... and we all recall that health professional that Trump retweeted ...

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#2546658 20-Aug-2020 23:48

meanwhile according to this 3/4 Kiwi would take vaccine for covid https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/three-quarters-kiwis-want-covid-vaccine-study

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