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#2550326 26-Aug-2020 20:42

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You might have read that the flights to Queenstown were all booked up by Aucklanders - every single seat has been taken.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359207

I'll be very annoyed if it spreads to South Island through this. Absolutely bizarre that they'd allow travel to covid-19 free areas before they know where the tail ends. .

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#2550331 26-Aug-2020 20:59

according to this we are not testing people on day 3 after arrival - "it's not compulsory"

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-live-updates-latest-on-community-outbreak-wednesday-august-26.html

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#2550365 26-Aug-2020 21:15

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Batman:

You might have read that the flights to Queenstown were all booked up by Aucklanders - every single seat has been taken.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359207

I'll be very annoyed if it spreads to South Island through this. Absolutely bizarre that they'd allow travel to covid-19 free areas before they know where the tail ends. .

Apparently as of a week ago 50,000 cars had been allowed to leave Auckland, I don't think those flying out after Sun (assuming level 2 comes into effect) will come even close to that

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#2550370 26-Aug-2020 21:22

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Batman:

according to this we are not testing people on day 3 after arrival - "it's not compulsory"

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-live-updates-latest-on-community-outbreak-wednesday-august-26.html

Day 3 testing has never been compulsory, nor has day 12 testing as you cannot compel anyone under the bill of rights to take a medical procedure if they refuse. But a requirement to leave MIQ to have a negative test result otherwise you stay there 28 days.

https://vimeo.com/451358783

Never let the slow news day and National party spin get in the way of reality.

Parliament can of course pass legislation that isn't consistent with the Bill of Rights Act. It can grant itself an exemption for things like viral pandemics.

Never let the Labour spin get in the way of reality.

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#2550398 26-Aug-2020 23:05

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Day 3 testing has never been compulsory, nor has day 12 testing as you cannot compel anyone under the bill of rights to take a medical procedure if they refuse. But a requirement to leave MIQ to have a negative test result otherwise you stay there 28 days.

https://vimeo.com/451358783

Never let the slow news day and National party spin get in the way of reality.

As far as using the Bill of Right is concerned that's just hiding behind an argument that is nonsense. We go far to far to "accommodate" these self important people. Besides sticking a swap up someones nose is hardly a medical procedure. For anyone in MIQ to object to the swab test is just being bloody minded or arrogant.

They knew or should have known the testing was expected while in quarantine and if they weren't prepared to accept testing then they should not have been allowed to enter the country. Let someone else who is prepared to play the game take their place. Also why should the New Zealand tax payer have to pay for an extra 14 days of quarantine just because someone refuses the test? Not only are these people disruptive they effectively block one person from entering the country with their selfish antics.

Apparently doing the day three test isn't a requirement but if you refuse the day 12 test you get 14 days added to your stay in MIQ. I can see why the day 3 test is valuable but if it is optional why bother at all?

There's been far too many botch ups with the MIQ. I know it's not reasonable to expect everything to be perfect but some of the lapses have been woeful in the extreme.

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#2550403 27-Aug-2020 00:02

Technofreak:

Besides sticking a swap up someones nose is hardly a medical procedure.

Yes it is. <- that's a fact.

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#2550410 27-Aug-2020 00:39

rugrat:

Batman:

You might have read that the flights to Queenstown were all booked up by Aucklanders - every single seat has been taken.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12359207

I'll be very annoyed if it spreads to South Island through this. Absolutely bizarre that they'd allow travel to covid-19 free areas before they know where the tail ends. .

Certainly doesn't make me feel comfortable. What is stopping someone who is within these communities where cases have been detected, then just travelling down South, and incubating it, and then spreading it? Although most of these cases have been linked back to the main cluster,we don't know how many of them were actually close contacts of previously infected people, because they aren't providing those stats . Some of them obviously aren't, based on the case that popped up at a hospital, with no link back to the cluster yet, except that they had the same genome. Then we have those cases that have popped up from a bus, and then cases from a church. Plus it doesn't seem people want to get tested in Auckland, based on the news, with empty testing stations

I would feel far more comfortable for the border to continue to be closed for Auckland for another week at least, except for business use, such as freight etc. That should still allow the economy to operate at nearly normal levels again. We don't seem to be in the same position we were previously with cases, when moving down from level 3 to 2. Infact I recall that we hadn't had any new cases for quite some period of time, before previously moving down from level 3 to 2.

I just have this horrible feeling that this cluster will spread if we go down a level too quickly, especially now that testing has dropped off again. This maybe lockdown fatigue, which IMO is just a nice way to describe some people who are flouters, and it seems to be a term driven by some some in the media. It has now become very political and not really a good time to be running an election IMO.

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#2550423 27-Aug-2020 06:56

To be fair we don't really have a thread in the politics forum because we ruined that one too 😅

I'm hoping for a low day of case numbers - ideally 1 or 0. It's hard to feel great about the likelihood of opening Monday if we're still posting 7+ cases a day - and as above, as soon as people can go out of Auckland, they'll flee South, North and East as quickly as they can for weekends. If we're not super-confident by then...

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#2550425 27-Aug-2020 07:18

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I'm not sure what science level is. But I understand rules are the rules. If the rules were followed then that's all there is to it. If the rules weren't followed, then they did something wrong.

You're not sure what science level is, I stated that. Science level is complex science matters re the virus. Non science level rules are distancing, washing, masks. Which laypeople all understand

If the rules are followed, yes thats all we need. But they arent. So when MoH sets rules (as has happened globally) and they are not followed (as has happened globally) its MoH's fault?

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#2550429 27-Aug-2020 07:23

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Batman:

according to this we are not testing people on day 3 after arrival - "it's not compulsory"

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/coronavirus-live-updates-latest-on-community-outbreak-wednesday-august-26.html

Day 3 testing has never been compulsory, nor has day 12 testing as you cannot compel anyone under the bill of rights to take a medical procedure if they refuse. But a requirement to leave MIQ to have a negative test result otherwise you stay there 28 days.

https://vimeo.com/451358783

Never let the slow news day and National party spin get in the way of reality.

Exactly, the post here "it's not compulsory" is essentially at social media level, misleading. GZ is not social media (in the common context that term is used)

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#2550433 27-Aug-2020 07:32

GV27:

To be fair we don't really have a thread in the politics forum because we ruined that one too 😅

I'm hoping for a low day of case numbers - ideally 1 or 0. It's hard to feel great about the likelihood of opening Monday if we're still posting 7+ cases a day - and as above, as soon as people can go out of Auckland, they'll flee South, North and East as quickly as they can for weekends. If we're not super-confident by then...

They say its contained. Reading between the lines, I see that as "while level 4 is ideal, the public wont buy it so no point, so lets accept that level 2 is all we have, (Level 3 isnt being well supported by the public and affects the economy) mass gatherings need to be reduced where we can, those that comply are a big help, those that dont we have to live with it, so due to the latter, the tail will be long, but not spreading wildly, i.e. cointained"

If that is how Govt and MoH see it, its not idseal but its pragmatic. People are the weakest link, and giving the economy a break and accepting the flouters is probbaly all we have left.

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#2550437 27-Aug-2020 07:43

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Batman:

I'm not sure what science level is. But I understand rules are the rules. If the rules were followed then that's all there is to it. If the rules weren't followed, then they did something wrong.

You're not sure what science level is, I stated that. Science level is complex science matters re the virus. Non science level rules are distancing, washing, masks. Which laypeople all understand

If the rules are followed, yes thats all we need. But they arent. So when MoH sets rules (as has happened globally) and they are not followed (as has happened globally) its MoH's fault?

Doctors don't understand the science and what little they understand they don't agree about the science. So what do you expect lay people to know about the science.

MOH sets the rules - If rules aren't followed, you blame the people, if people follow the rules you don't blame the people. I've looked at the last 4 pages and I never said anything about blaming MOH.

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#2550441 27-Aug-2020 07:56

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Doctors don't understand the science and what little they understand they don't agree about the science. So what do you expect lay people to know about the science.

MOH sets the rules - If rules aren't followed, you blame the people, if people follow the rules you don't blame the people. I've looked at the last 4 pages and I never said anything about blaming MOH.

If Doctors understand little about the science we are doomed. But they do understand. My post said non sciene re laypeople, hence no excuse. Im not blaming the people who follow the rules, I blame those that don't. As we read often in this country the response has seemingly been poor. Faults everywhere, daily faults. Perhaps the issue is lack of any real enforcment

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#2550466 27-Aug-2020 08:36

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If Doctors understand little about the science we are doomed. But they do understand. My post said non sciene re laypeople, hence no excuse. Im not blaming the people who follow the rules, I blame those that don't. As we read often in this country the response has seemingly been poor. Faults everywhere, daily faults. Perhaps the issue is lack of any real enforcment

I disagree, from what I have heard from family abroad (Europe, UK, Australia) and what I have read and watched compliance in Aotearoa has been excellent in comparison. Yes there has been some incidents but by and large the public and corporate compliance has been excellent. The press never report the 65,000 residents in Hutt Valley stayed home or 97% of businesses comply with social distancing and work habit changes. That does not sell advertising column centimeters.

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#2550475 27-Aug-2020 08:57

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tdgeek:

If Doctors understand little about the science we are doomed. But they do understand. My post said non sciene re laypeople, hence no excuse. Im not blaming the people who follow the rules, I blame those that don't. As we read often in this country the response has seemingly been poor. Faults everywhere, daily faults. Perhaps the issue is lack of any real enforcment

I disagree, from what I have heard from family abroad (Europe, UK, Australia) and what I have read and watched compliance in Aotearoa has been excellent in comparison. Yes there has been some incidents but by and large the public and corporate compliance has been excellent. The press never report the 65,000 residents in Hutt Valley stayed home or 97% of businesses comply with social distancing and work habit changes. That does not sell advertising column centimeters.

Those people arent the problem, the many that don't are, and who ruin it for those you quoted and the rest of us. This began on day one of our lockdown and never stopped. I dont see a need to report those that comply, most of us have as we are expected to. The team of 5 million has been frequently recognised

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