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#2564190 15-Sep-2020 09:05

vexxxboy:

my Heart Bleeds.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364520&ref=recommendedv1

You heart should bleed for her

If she was white, she wouldnt have been sent to jail.
The white male who did the same thing, for a worse reason (to buy booze) , got off with a fine . She went to jail.
Racism , nah , never .

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#2564195 15-Sep-2020 09:14

1101:
vexxxboy:

my Heart Bleeds.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364520&ref=recommendedv1

You heart should bleed for her

If she was white, she wouldnt have been sent to jail.
The white male who did the same thing, for a worse reason (to buy booze) , got off with a fine . She went to jail.
Racism , nah , never .

Hi let’s see, one absconds and incites three others to do the same, in order to travel between regions and attend a large gathering where there would be hugging, hongis and other social interaction. The other one nips down the road to buy a bottle of wine. I’m not defending either, but to me there is a greater distinction than their race

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#2564197 15-Sep-2020 09:19

1101:

vexxxboy:

my Heart Bleeds.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12364520&ref=recommendedv1

You heart should bleed for her

If she was white, she wouldnt have been sent to jail.
The white male who did the same thing, for a worse reason (to buy booze) , got off with a fine . She went to jail.
Racism , nah , never .

I don't think you are comparing apple with apples....

Yes, his eventual penalty was a fine, but this was after spending the remainder ( 6 days) of his isolation in Spring Hill prison so he did go to jail..

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12360086

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#2564282 15-Sep-2020 11:40

You're right, it isn't comparing apples with apples

A woman returns to NZ with her children to pay respects to their dead father. An exemption was applied for and they had a plan, but for whatever reason they took matters into their own hands. The were roundly condemned and she goes to jail.

A man decides he needs a drink of alcohol. The judge sympathizes with him and gives him a fine.

Inciting 3 others to leave isolation? Wow, that's the kids trying desperately to see their deceased father.

The man goes to jail? He was put in there for isolation purposes only.

She will now have a conviction associated with a jail sentence. He will just have a fine.

Your'e right, it isn't apples with apples. It was a heartless decision and smacks of racism. Leaving isolation should have the same penalty regardless of the reason.

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#2564285 15-Sep-2020 11:49

Grunta47:

You're right, it isn't comparing apples with apples

A woman returns to NZ with her children to pay respects to their dead father. An exemption was applied for and they had a plan, but for whatever reason they took matters into their own hands. The were roundly condemned and she goes to jail.

A man decides he needs a drink of alcohol. The judge sympathizes with him and gives him a fine.

Inciting 3 others to leave isolation? Wow, that's the kids trying desperately to see their deceased father.

The man goes to jail? He was put in there for isolation purposes only.

She will now have a conviction associated with a jail sentence. He will just have a fine.

Your'e right, it isn't apples with apples. It was a heartless decision and smacks of racism. Leaving isolation should have the same penalty regardless of the reason.

Err, he wasn't simply out to get a drink,

He’d rushed back from work in Australia because of what Judge Garry Collin called "tragic family circumstances".

McVicar's wife had to make an urgent trip to Scotland, so he was tested for Covid-19 and applied for an isolation exemption in order to look after their children.

It wasn't granted and, when McVicar got back to New Zealand on July 1, he was put on a bus to Hamilton.

"You were quite distraught, really, about that," Judge Collin said. "Your family circumstances were difficult for you and you were troubled by that."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/122579000/tragic-circumstances-behind-mans-escape-from-hamilton-isolation-facility-to-visit-bottle-shop

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#2564293 15-Sep-2020 12:02

Yep, I still see he went out to get a drink and the headline of your link says that.

The judge took into account the 'tragic family circumstances' for him, but the judge for the woman did not.

Same issue, same problem - different result/conviction.

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#2564295 15-Sep-2020 12:10

Grunta47:

She will now have a conviction associated with a jail sentence. He will just have a fine.

You can have your opinions but not your facts. People can be convicted and fined. Also, the guy you are presumably talking about got community work as well - see here. . You can't be sentenced to community work without being convicted.

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#2564298 15-Sep-2020 12:21

Its somewhat paradoxical that the community Billy TK is counting on to get him a seat in Parliament would be most at risk of worst of this.
The communities that were putting up their own roadblocks not so long ago.

A sobering breakdown of severe COVID-19 cases shows young adults can’t dismiss it
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-severe-covid19-cases-young-adults

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Of roughly 3,200 people ages 18 to 34 who were admitted to 419 U.S. hospitals from early April to the end of June, 21 percent, or 684 people, landed in intensive care and 10 percent, or 331 patients, ended up on ventilators. Almost 3 percent, or nearly 90 people, died, researchers report September 9 in JAMA Internal Medicine.
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A 3 percent death rate is lower than what has been reported for hospitalized older adults with COVID-19 — which was more than 20 percent in two separate studies from the United States and Germany — but still higher than it is for some other illnesses. For instance, it’s more than twice the death rate for heart attacks in young adults, the researchers wrote.
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Summer is coming and it will be a great one with systems improved to keep this in control, vs being like UK or Spain etc now.

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#2564299 15-Sep-2020 12:22

dejadeadnz:

Grunta47:

She will now have a conviction associated with a jail sentence. He will just have a fine.

You can have your opinions but not your facts. People can be convicted and fined. Also, the guy you are presumably talking about got community work as well - see here. . You can't be sentenced to community work without being convicted.

But he didn't go to jail though (being put into a jail cell to finish his isolation is not the same as being sentenced to jail). Why didn't the woman get the same sentence of community work?

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#2564319 15-Sep-2020 13:02

Grunta47:

But he didn't go to jail though (being put into a jail cell to finish his isolation is not the same as being sentenced to jail). Why didn't the woman get the same sentence of community work?

If the woman involved is unhappy with her sentence, she can appeal. If you want to know the reasons for the judge's sentence, court files are public records.

None of the above changes the fact that what you initially wrote was simply inaccurate.

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#2564470 15-Sep-2020 16:20

ezbee:

Its somewhat paradoxical that the community Billy TK is counting on to get him a seat in Parliament would be most at risk of worst of this.
The communities that were putting up their own roadblocks not so long ago.

A sobering breakdown of severe COVID-19 cases shows young adults can’t dismiss it
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-severe-covid19-cases-young-adults

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Of roughly 3,200 people ages 18 to 34 who were admitted to 419 U.S. hospitals from early April to the end of June, 21 percent, or 684 people, landed in intensive care and 10 percent, or 331 patients, ended up on ventilators. Almost 3 percent, or nearly 90 people, died, researchers report September 9 in JAMA Internal Medicine.
""
A 3 percent death rate is lower than what has been reported for hospitalized older adults with COVID-19 — which was more than 20 percent in two separate studies from the United States and Germany — but still higher than it is for some other illnesses. For instance, it’s more than twice the death rate for heart attacks in young adults, the researchers wrote.
""

Summer is coming and it will be a great one with systems improved to keep this in control, vs being like UK or Spain etc now.

The benefit the UK has, as well is a lot of Europe, is the ICU capacity appears to be a lot higher than NZs, which is only around 500 beds when stretched, and I don't think there have bee any plans to increase it. The UK even setup these huge hospitals, that don't appear to have been needed. Although they did change their approach from herd immunity, to lock downs and social distancing Dyson was also going to be making ventilators for them, but they weren't needed. NZ wouldn't be in as good a situation if covid got a foothold in NZ, due to the way our health system works, where we are using it near full capacity much of the time.

This Auckland gym situation has me concerned, due to the way this virus spreads and the number of people that are considered to be close contacts who must now self isolate. So poentially we may get cases popping up now over the next few weeks, making it another cluster. Think of the cost involved in these people not benig able to go to work etc. Also fancy the level system allowing a health worker, who is working in a Hotel and who is then coming into contact with covid infected people, then being able to workout in a gym in the community with up to 100 people in an indoor environment (separated by 2m), heavily breathing together.

If Auckland was back in level 1, it potentially could have been far worse, based on how many people could be in a gym class. It is a recipe for covid superspreader event IMO, as we know how easily this virus spreads in the air in indoor environments. I don't blame this health worker either, as they haven't done anything wrong here, and it was allowed. The question is why was it allowed for, or is it just another hole that people making the rules didn't think about in depth? Health workers working with covid patients are at higher risk of getting it, as PPE is not 100% effective. I do wonder why we are not using full hazmat suits like they seem to use in China and other Asian countries treating covid patients. Do they know something we don't. eg How contagious it actually is.

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#2564478 15-Sep-2020 16:24

Việt Nam goes 12 straight days without community COVID-19 infections
https://vietnamnews.vn/society/772341/viet-nam-goes-12-straight-days-without-community-covid-19-infections.html

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The total number of COVID-19 cases in Việt Nam remained at 1,063 on Monday as no new cases were reported, marking 12 straight days without community infection in the country, according to the National Steering Committee for COVID-19 Prevention and Control.
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Good on them, rejoining Taiwan and many Pacific Islands , and well we have 1 day of 0 local cases and counting.
Hopefully we don't get too much more of the tail.

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#2564481 15-Sep-2020 16:31

Auckland August Covid-19 cluster and 'sub-clusters' as at 15 September

Its only when you look at the groupings and discussion [https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/426095/covid-cluster-confusion-what-you-need-to-know] that you release we dont have a 177 person cluster but a 115 person cluster and 4 other epidemiologically unrelated clusters.

Add to that the Jet Park cluster including the health worker and you have 6 clusters.

I wish MoH would post an updated cluster diagram that it had on 18 August. Diagrams are so much better for showing information. Sadly I think it would reveal how little it knows about links between the groups.

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#2564485 15-Sep-2020 16:42

^^Generally there is a lack of information. Why this is I don't know, although they seem to claim privacy reasons a lot.But this affects everyone's lives, so IMO the public should be provided with detailed information, and shouldn't reply on the media to ask questions at stand ups to extract this information.

I would also like to see the maps which the PM held up at one of the press conferences, showing how cases were dotted though out Auckland, so it is quite wide spread. But this is an Auckland outbreak, it isn't just a cluster anymore, and I heard one of the experts saying that they should now refer to it as an outbreak, as that better reflects what this now is.

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#2564492 15-Sep-2020 16:47

I cry for humanity.

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