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#2066760 2-Aug-2018 10:37

http://autotalk.co.nz/news/kiwi-tesla-task-lack-support

Kiwi taking Tesla to task over lack of support
Posted by Geoff Dobson
on August 1st, 2018

"Miall Darwin of Raglan is taking Tesla to the Disputes Tribunal for $15,000 compensation after alleging the company won’t offer supercharging or software updates when it initially said it would.

He bought a wrecked 2016 Tesla S 90D in Australia, had it rebuilt and brought it to New Zealand.
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The older model Tesla sells for about $160,000 new, but Darwin got his with 3000km on the clock for A$40,000 because it was an insurance write-off, Newshub reports.
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Darwin says he might own the Tesla’s physical aspects, like the metal and leather, but that Tesla controls the software.

He says in hindsight he would not have bought the write-off car if he knew what he had to go through."

If this Kiwi had done his research, he should have gotten the clue that Tesla reluctantly reactivates rebuilt salvage cars. They'll do it, but expect some hassles.

https://transportevolved.com/2014/10/01/tesla-right-insist-inspects-rebuilt-salvage-cars-reactivates-youtellus/

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#2066782 2-Aug-2018 11:20

Probably the first of many cases that will arise as DRM'd software becomes integral to the vehicle industry,

Nebraska Tractor Hackers are leading a charge to adopt "right to repair" laws in many Agricultural states in the US,

We are probably a few years behind them in this regard but it will need to be looked at.....

I'm guessing the 15K is what value he has calculated for the supercharging..... but I expect that Tesla will settle this quietly, they will not want it to go anywhere near an open judicial forum.....

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#2073231 14-Aug-2018 12:04

"The back fell off":

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#2073236 14-Aug-2018 12:15

Fred99:

"The back fell off":

Well its better than the "front fell off" :)

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#2073246 14-Aug-2018 12:45

Fred99:
"The back fell off":<

It seems to be the second one

https://electrek.co/2018/08/13/tesla-investigates-model-3-bumper-broke-off/

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#2073287 14-Aug-2018 14:01

At least it looks like the cars can be driven outside the environment after the back falls off.

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#2073313 14-Aug-2018 14:58

Looks non-critical.

I'd suspect Tesla didn't put strong enough fasteners to hold the plastic trim, under the trim gets pulled/filled with water.

Certainly annoying, and I guess it could cause an accident for a car following behind.

I'd venture Tesla willing to fix it for free, and strengthen it when in shop

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#2073318 14-Aug-2018 15:08

kingdragonfly: Looks non-critical.

I'd suspect Tesla didn't put strong enough fasteners to hold the plastic trim, under the trim gets pulled/filled with water.

Certainly annoying, and I guess it could cause an accident for a car following behind.

I'd venture Tesla willing to fix it for free, and strengthen it when in shop

Yes, they will fix it for free but Nah they won't strengthen it,

They'll likely just drill a hole in the bottom of the bumper in a hidden low point to let the water drain out :)

In fact there may be one there already to allow it to drain but it was accidentally painted over in production and they missed it in the final QA...

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#2073382 14-Aug-2018 16:05

"A Timeline of Tesla’s Privatization Saga

Elon still hasn’t proved that he has the funding.

By Eric Wesoff
13 August 13, 2018

Having immersed myself in Tesla's mainstream media-Twitter-Reddit-Owners Group news and analysis sinkhole, the only thing I can say with certainty about Tesla's privatization effort is that no one has an accurate idea of what's truly happening.

Here's a Tesla privatization timeline, a quick guide to the Tesla board, and some mean tweets. The situation remains fluid and more news is sure to hit this week..."

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/tesla-privatization-saga-timeline

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#2073408 14-Aug-2018 16:33

kingdragonfly: "A Timeline of Tesla’s Privatization Saga

Elon still hasn’t proved that he has the funding.

If he can't convince some guardian angel investor to stump up the reddies to complete the buyout he announced at $420 then he's gonna get slammed by the SEC... and probably face a few civil suits as well...

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/elon-musk-funding-secured-tweet-saudi-wealth-fund

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#2073426 14-Aug-2018 17:31

kingdragonfly:

Having immersed myself in Tesla's mainstream media-Twitter-Reddit-Owners Group news and analysis sinkhole, the only thing I can say with certainty about Tesla's privatization effort is that no one has an accurate idea of what's truly happening.

Quite possibly including Musk, who seems to be in desperate need of a holiday.

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#2073679 15-Aug-2018 08:24

wellygary:

kingdragonfly: Looks non-critical.

I'd suspect Tesla didn't put strong enough fasteners to hold the plastic trim, under the trim gets pulled/filled with water.

Certainly annoying, and I guess it could cause an accident for a car following behind.

I'd venture Tesla willing to fix it for free, and strengthen it when in shop

Yes, they will fix it for free but Nah they won't strengthen it,

They'll likely just drill a hole in the bottom of the bumper in a hidden low point to let the water drain out :)

In fact there may be one there already to allow it to drain but it was accidentally painted over in production and they missed it in the final QA...

It would be happening all the time if the design was bad. 1 of the 2 or 3 owners has confessed to driver error, I suspect the remaining cases are likely the same. .I suspect people are driving way too fast through deep puddles and creating high pressure water jets that are blowing their cars apart - imagine 1,000's of litre of water blasting up from the wheels and into the covers and rear bumper - drain holes won't help.

People the world over just don't know how to drive through water (or how to not drive through water). Every time Tamaki Drive floods there is footage on the news of dozens of people ploughing through salt water at speed and abusing their vehicles. I have witnessed car after car (about 8 in total) speed into deep water and hydraulic their engines, whilst others inch through successfully.

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#2074790 17-Aug-2018 12:14

Now this is interesting

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12108771

Mercury has launched an electric vehicle subscription service offering cars from $100 a week as a way of enticing drivers in plug-in transport.

The energy company has teamed up with Snap Rentals for the service which offers a Gen 1 Nissan LEAF for $399 a month if renters sign up for six months. At the other end of the scale, a Tesla S starts at $2099 a month for a three-month term.

The Auckland service so far had about a dozen cars which Mercury said was enough to meet the early demand with the ability to get additional cars in the near future.

''If there's significant demand, we'll work with industry experts to get access to cars at a pace, value and quality that we can sustainably invest in to make them easily accessible to customers.''

I seriously think this place is going to get buried in requests, and will have to seriously ramp up its operations....

Being able to rent an EV for $100-$250 a week with out the encumbrance of a multi year lease and pretty arduous end of lease costs could really turn things on their head, but It will end up needing a pile of capital .....

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#2074865 17-Aug-2018 13:59

wellygary:

Being able to rent an EV for $100-$250 a week with out the encumbrance of a multi year lease and pretty arduous end of lease costs could really turn things on their head, but It will end up needing a pile of capital .....

Depends what they're renting, I guess. A Gen 1 Leaf isn't that expensive; at $100/wk it would turn in a profit over 3 years even if you were buying the car retail.

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#2074884 17-Aug-2018 14:28

wellygary:

Now this is interesting

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12108771

Mercury has launched an electric vehicle subscription service offering cars from $100 a week as a way of enticing drivers in plug-in transport.

The energy company has teamed up with Snap Rentals for the service which offers a Gen 1 Nissan LEAF for $399 a month if renters sign up for six months. At the other end of the scale, a Tesla S starts at $2099 a month for a three-month term.

The Auckland service so far had about a dozen cars which Mercury said was enough to meet the early demand with the ability to get additional cars in the near future.

''If there's significant demand, we'll work with industry experts to get access to cars at a pace, value and quality that we can sustainably invest in to make them easily accessible to customers.''

I seriously think this place is going to get buried in requests, and will have to seriously ramp up its operations....

Being able to rent an EV for $100-$250 a week with out the encumbrance of a multi year lease and pretty arduous end of lease costs could really turn things on their head, but It will end up needing a pile of capital .....

So I am a little bit unsure why you just can not pick up the vehicle instead of it being delivered.Do you have to live in Auckland?I could not see any info regarding this.I mean it says the delivery location and pickup location must be within Auckland.But it doesn't say you have to live in Auckland.Good on them for giving it a go,those car dealers charge a blimmin arm and a leg for leases.

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