Speed Limit to Increase on some roads

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#1667717 10-Nov-2016 23:42

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2 speed limit at different times? hmm ...

I'm not sure I see the issue? We should be driving to the conditions. If it's completely bucketing down on a stretch of road zoned for 100, surely you will slow down to a safer speed?

You are obviously not a lawyer :)

That I'm not :-)

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#1667718 10-Nov-2016 23:43

cynnicallemon:

“Changes made under the guide may include altering road design, lowering speed limits, or in certain circumstances, raising them."

What they are saying essentially is that they might raise the speed limit by 10km/h on motorways/expressways.

And how many millions will this exercise cost the taxpayer?

Lets have decent road surfaces/conditions and raise the limit to 120km/h. Also get rid of (as much as possible) freight off the road and get it back onto rails where it should be.

I imagine changing speed limits is quite cheap, it's just signage after all. (Especially when you compare to the billions to be spent on puhoi to wellsford for a sub 5 minute time saving)

In regards to changing road design, I assume this will only be implemented when road's hit their update cycle (i.e. new markings design when road is resealed). I don't think the cost will be to different to what we currently spend on repairs, maintenance, upgrades etc.

If it prevents injuries we can realise massive savings from health care (and ACC although that is self funding so the saving is to the taxpayer, not the government)

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Many roads in overseas countries have two speed limits - one for normal, one for when it's raining.

Given current action, I think nz is going to move to variable speed limits in high crash rate bits of road. Last time I drove over the kaimai, the speed limit was cut to 60kmph (from 100kmph) due to really heavy rain.

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#1667742 11-Nov-2016 06:12

NZ can't handle a speed limit increase, we are far too immature as drivers.

What we need is much larger fines for speeding.

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#1667749 11-Nov-2016 07:03

MikeB4:
cynnicallemon:

MikeB4:
Are you willing to pay more tax to fund the roading upgrades?

I'm always willing to pay for quality.

Are you?

We already pay well over $150K per annum tax. I am also happy with the current speed limit

I wish I was paid enough to pay $150K p.a. in tax.

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#1667750 11-Nov-2016 07:06

Too many drivers read the 100k limit as 110-115k the same drivers will now see 110 as 120-125k and apply it to all roads and all conditions and also see as the minimum speed.

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#1667751 11-Nov-2016 07:12

dickytim:
NZ can't handle a speed limit increase, we are far too immature as drivers.

What we need is much larger fines for speeding.

You sound like the clown on TV this morning who said most NZ cars can't safely do 110kph.

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#1667772 11-Nov-2016 07:47

What I find amazing is this is the only headline that was picked out of the entire Speed Management Guide. 110km/h as a possibility on <0.001% of our roading network that is equipped for that is not going to make one iota of difference. It's one small comment in a 40 page document, good on you NZ media, inflammatory headlines again, journalism is truly dead.

https://www.pikb.co.nz/assets/Uploads/Documents/Speed-management-guide-first-edition-Nov2016.pdf

If people looked past the one headline they would see a guideline intended to standardise speed limits depending on road use and design across the country, so better consistency, and appropriate speeds for appropriate roads. This means that in infinitely more cases the speed limit could actually reduce (yep the media missed that one). I am not sure where the doomsayers get their economic ideas from but some local rule changes and some speed signs is hardly going to send the country into a recession. The whole idea is that roads that look and perform the same will have the similar speed settings across the country. Much better than the random pick-a-number-out-of-the-hat system they have now where each regional council does something different. I am more concerned about having to do 70-80km/h on perfectly fine rural roads.

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#1667776 11-Nov-2016 07:54

old3eyes:
dickytim:
NZ can't handle a speed limit increase, we are far too immature as drivers.

What we need is much larger fines for speeding.

You sound like the clown on TV this morning who said most NZ cars can't safely do 110kph.

Given the age and state of repair of the majority of vehicles in NZ the guy on the TV was right.

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#1667783 11-Nov-2016 08:08

dickytim: NZ can't handle a speed limit increase, we are far too immature as drivers.

Agreed.

dickytim: What we need is much larger fines for speeding.

Disagree.

Fines are not acting as a deterrent to speeders - the evidence is in the fact that so many still speed so much. It certainly doesn't work on the idiots who hide themselves amongst the 'boy racer' crowd and rack up tens of thousands of dollars worth of fines before going to the Court and pleading poverty which leads to the fines being wiped in exchange for a pathetic amount of community work.

What we need is a significantly higher demerit point count attached to speeding offences. IMO the potential of losing your licence after being caught only a couple of times will be a much higher deterrent (to most).

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#1667803 11-Nov-2016 08:55

MikeB4: Too many drivers read the 100k limit as 110-115k the same drivers will now see 110 as 120-125k and apply it to all roads and all conditions and also see as the minimum speed.

Are you saying that many drivers can't determine the right speed to drive depending on the conditions?

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#1667804 11-Nov-2016 09:00

The NZTA has previously considered potential candidates for a higher speed limit to include the Transmission Gully motorway and Kapiti Expressway in the Wellington region, the Waikato Expressway, the Tauranga Eastern Link and the Northern Gateway toll road north of Auckland.

I wonder why existing motorways aren't considered? They meet the criteria: median barrier, 2 lanes each way, no direct access to neighbouring properties.

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#1667805 11-Nov-2016 09:01

frankv:

MikeB4: Too many drivers read the 100k limit as 110-115k the same drivers will now see 110 as 120-125k and apply it to all roads and all conditions and also see as the minimum speed.

Are you saying that many drivers can't determine the right speed to drive depending on the conditions?

exactly, take this morning for example, the weather conditions in Wellington are terrible, we were travelling at around 100K and we were passed so many times by vehicles travelling considerably faster than us not just on dual carriageways but opposing lanes. If something happened these gumboots would never be able to stop or control their vehicles, not to mention the very high risk of aquaplaning.

Many of the vehicles passing us were of a vintage that would not have BFD, ABS, ESP, Dynamic control etc etc etc

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#1667806 11-Nov-2016 09:04

frankv:

The NZTA has previously considered potential candidates for a higher speed limit to include the Transmission Gully motorway and Kapiti Expressway in the Wellington region, the Waikato Expressway, the Tauranga Eastern Link and the Northern Gateway toll road north of Auckland.

I wonder why existing motorways aren't considered? They meet the criteria: median barrier, 2 lanes each way, no direct access to neighbouring properties.

Wellington Motorway would not come even close, too many on and off ramps and a stupid Petrol station half way along. Not to mention terrible road surface made worse by sea spray and mud off the hills.

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#1667812 11-Nov-2016 09:16

frankv:

The NZTA has previously considered potential candidates for a higher speed limit to include the Transmission Gully motorway and Kapiti Expressway in the Wellington region, the Waikato Expressway, the Tauranga Eastern Link and the Northern Gateway toll road north of Auckland.

I wonder why existing motorways aren't considered? They meet the criteria: median barrier, 2 lanes each way, no direct access to neighbouring properties.

True, but I don't see any need to be 110 on the southern until after Papakura perhaps, similarly northbound from Oteha Valley.

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#1667816 11-Nov-2016 09:33

I would like to see the speed limit for the right hand lane in passing lanes raised to 110km/h to allow quicker passing.

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