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  #3310299 18-Nov-2024 17:15
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I actually submitted a quote request to Evnex this afternoon and have completed the online 'survey'. 





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  #3321965 18-Dec-2024 12:37
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I have an Open ESVE on the way. I'll get the sparky to wire in a 32A socket. Unfortunately the car does not support three phase, so I'll need a bit of automation (via openHAB) to ensure the load fits within the output of the (3 phase) solar inverter.





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  #3323140 22-Dec-2024 07:11
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Are there any electricians on this forum ? I have access to a free lightly used three phase socket outlet (PDL 56CV532) which is a 5 pin 32A version.  Is this suitable to supply a 6.6kW single phase / 22kW three phase EVSE, or is a higher capacity model such as 40A required. My calculations tell me that single phase 6.6kW at 230V is approx 28A.





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  #3323180 22-Dec-2024 12:42
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32A is the appropriate socket, but normally we recommend hardwiring EVSE to remove extra connection points and possible failures.


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  #3323193 22-Dec-2024 14:08
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SomeoneSomewhere: 32A is the appropriate socket, but normally we recommend hardwiring EVSE to remove extra connection points and possible failures.

 

Thanks. The PDL 56 series are pretty robust/reliable with the locking ring that stabilises the connections. I have some 20A versions for stationery machinery in my workshop but just was unsure of the amperage rating for the charger.  I'll get a sparky to hep with the switchboard mods.





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  #3323194 22-Dec-2024 14:14
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Yeah, they're pretty good (better than most alternatives), but it's still three extra points of contact that don't need to be there. 


 
 
 
 

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  #3323195 22-Dec-2024 14:20
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Stu:

I actually submitted a quote request to Evnex this afternoon and have completed the online 'survey'. 



We've had the Evnex in for a week or so now. Nice bit of kit. The web app has a bit more control than the Android app, in that I can set the maximum charge rate if required. Evnex have a community forum for questions or support, as well as email/phone.




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  #3323201 22-Dec-2024 14:36
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I was told that all the proper EVSE say in the manuals to hardwire and not use a plug/socket so installing them with one is non compliant. Different for the tesla granny cable, which has a 32A end available for it but there was still reasons that I couldn't get a 32A put in just for that which I cant recall right now.





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  #3323594 23-Dec-2024 12:09
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I was told that all the proper EVSE say in the manuals to hardwire and not use a plug/socket so installing them with one is non compliant. Different for the tesla granny cable, which has a 32A end available for it but there was still reasons that I couldn't get a 32A put in just for that which I cant recall right now.

 



Well I think that's outdated information.  32A single-phase IC-CPDs (aka "mode 2", "portable", or "plug-in" EVSEs) are now pretty common in the USA and the UK... and they're available here in godzone too, through "local" webfronts such as MightyApe's "Yarra Supply" and through any of the bazillions of retailers on AliExpress.  I doubt any would comply with WorkSafe guidelines, which heavily deprecate IC-CPDs (but do allow 15A ones if they have temperature-sensing CEE "blue caravan" plugs).

But hey, what could possibly go wrong with a $260 32A IC-CPD that's sold through Mighty Ape's website?  I'm confident they'd replace it reasonably promptly, if its plug or its in-cord protection device were to overheat within the 15-day trial period... and if the contacts on its orange 32A plug and in your orange 32A socket are neither corroded and the springs are still tight, then an overheated plug & socket is very unlikely... so why not give it a go?   Ah well hmm it claims to be "IP55 waterproof" and the charging cable is only 0.5m long... so OMG you'd be tempted to put it on an extension lead if you're ever travelling with it, rather than mounting it semi-permanently in your garage.

Hmm... maybe you'd do better to spend a bit more on a 32A IC-CPD from a highly-reputable Chinese manufacturer such as Injet?   If you search on "injet carry on evse" you'll find an intriguing product which, sooner or later, will surely be avaiiable at retail through one or more of its OEM channels.  (I don't see it advertised at Injet's retail arm https://www.wyevcharger.com/ac-charging-station/).   All to say that it's certainly possible to purchase a reputable ("proper") 32A mode-2 EVSE ... but caveat emptor!


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  #3323644 23-Dec-2024 12:51
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richms:

 

... the tesla granny cable... has a 32A end available for it but there was still reasons that I couldn't get a 32A put in just for that which I cant recall right now.

 



Hmm, if your household has a standard 60 amp single-phase supply, then hmm... there'd have to be some way to limit the power-draw of a 32A EVSE.  That's easily arranged for a mode-3 ("wall mount") EVSE; but a mode-2 EVSE doesn't have any way of "knowing" that the total load in the household threatens to go above 60A.   You could purchase a 3-phase mode-2 EVSE, and configure it to draw at most 10A per phase; but if your house isn't already wired for 3-phase then that's not a viable idea.  Nor is reworking your breaker board for a 100A supply -- which would not only be expensive, your lines company might charge you more per day for this higher-powered connection.

The October 2019 addendum to Worksafe's "Electric vehicle charging safety guidelines" puts it this way:

"The supply of an IC-CPD fitted with a 32 A supply plug, while not in accordance with the guidelines, is not restricted by the ESR. However the IC-CPD should be accompanied by a warning that some domestic installations may not be able to reliably, or safely, supply a sustained 32 A changing load without taking into account the other loads being supplied during the same period."

I rather doubt any NZ electrician would install a 32A socket in a household with a 60A single-phase supply, if you tell them you'll be using this socket to charge your EV! 


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  #3323645 23-Dec-2024 12:59
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You can get load-shedding gear but you'll be disconnecting it outright via contactor, rather than just winding it back. Disconnecting other loads (hot water) is also an option, and many heatpumps can be set to 50/75% capacity by dry contact.

 

 

 

There's gas-only homes that could take a 32A load pretty easily.


 
 
 

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  #3326779 1-Jan-2025 12:16
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For those who have had an Evnex E2 installed, what cabelling was used to connect the CT clamps?

Our mains cable and solar are some 40m distant from the house where the accountant has specified her car will be parked and charged. I'm happy enough to have one CT clamp around the submains for the house and use that for load limiting, as the majority of big draw items are in the house.

However, in order to use the solar diverting function, I'll need to have a CT clamp around the mains, seeing as noone appears to make a Lora/wifi remote monitoring system. There are two Cat6 cables that run between the buildings, currently used for internet, but I could repurpose one for the CT clamp if Cat6 can be used.

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  #3326784 1-Jan-2025 12:34
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It's basically data cable. Only single core copper wires, I think only two pair. Fair chance Cat6 will be okay. A quick call or email to Evnex when they open after the break will give you a definitive answer, they seem approachable.




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  #3326785 1-Jan-2025 12:37
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Ge0rge: For those who have had an Evnex E2 installed, what cabelling was used to connect the CT clamps?

Our mains cable and solar are some 40m distant from the house where the accountant has specified her car will be parked and charged. I'm happy enough to have one CT clamp around the submains for the house and use that for load limiting, as the majority of big draw items are in the house.

However, in order to use the solar diverting function, I'll need to have a CT clamp around the mains, seeing as noone appears to make a Lora/wifi remote monitoring system. There are two Cat6 cables that run between the buildings, currently used for internet, but I could repurpose one for the CT clamp if Cat6 can be used.

 

Shielded Cat6 ? Hopefully if it is running that distance. In which case it will be fine as it is only sensing the current via an induced voltage.

 

Or use some automation via HA or openHAB etc.





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  #3326789 1-Jan-2025 12:55
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It's just UTP unfortunately. Could parallel several of the pairs to help reduce any voltage drop over the distance I suppose.

I'll definitely give them a call next week, hopefully they have come across this issue before.

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