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#2615836 3-Dec-2020 18:18

ANglEAUT:

wellygary: Apparently the government is promising to only buy EVs ... again... but there is no extra funding for this ....

But will the government be paying the RUC? 😇

Probably RUCs and ACC levies at the same rate as the general public, once they are introduced for EVs.

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#2616543 5-Dec-2020 09:01

what is a good, refined hybrid/EV that can go 300km without needing to charge, preferably SUV and under 50k under 3 years old?

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#2616589 5-Dec-2020 11:59

Batman:

what is a good, refined hybrid/EV that can go 300km without needing to charge, preferably SUV and under 50k under 3 years old?

Lexus RX450?

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#2616595 5-Dec-2020 12:26

Batman:

what is a good, refined hybrid/EV that can go 300km without needing to charge, preferably SUV and under 50k under 3 years old?

You could get a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV for that. They sell new for around $50k.

What's behind the 300km non-stop requirement?

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#2616603 5-Dec-2020 12:40

Don't want to queue behind 1000 cars to charge during Easter?

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#2616647 5-Dec-2020 12:49

As someone with an EV who has travelled over a number of public holidays (a few less this year...), I can assure you that is not a thing 🙂

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#2616648 5-Dec-2020 12:50

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wellygary:

Its still a stretch for departments, ( if it was a justifiable economic choice they would have already made it)

Most of the cars will be small "run about" types - especially the health boards, our local one has boatloads of Suzuki Swifts,

@~20K that's still a 30K/vehicle - or around, $300 million,

There's a reason the biggest EV model in NZ is a 2nd hand leaf, -

Its probably not possible to order a few thousand EV's today and get them next month. They aren't around in huge volume yet

300 Mill, yep. Deduct fuel savings over 5 years, servicing savings, you'd get an amount of that 30k back, the rest is a cost, thats ok

The 2nd hand Leaf was pretty much the only EV available for a long while

Do we know if Government departments buy or lease?

I do hope in the Govt replacing ICE vehicles with EV's it is done at end of economic life, and therefore staggered replacement.

The other concern is that in the Govt replacing the existing fleet with EV's, is the output from the existing fleet will still exist. One would assume the existing fleet will end up on the second hand market, and although the Govt's emissions will reduce, isn't it just moving the problem, for now? If they do it may have the effect to someone replacing a old car with a newer, second hand one.

The benefit will come when the Govt fleet is replaced, but being EV's, will they need to be replaced in the same timeframe as the current fleet? I don't know.

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#2616652 5-Dec-2020 13:17

wellygary: ...

There is a good spreadsheet here that shows who has cars,

https://www.procurement.govt.nz/assets/procurement-property/documents/broader-outcomes/government-fleet-emissions-dashboard.xlsx

Man, you just gotta love transparency in the government.

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#2616659 5-Dec-2020 13:28

Batman: Don't want to queue behind 1000 cars to charge during Easter?

Never had that happen before. Some of the free ones in the middle of Auckland, sure, but never the paid ones along the highways.

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#2616662 5-Dec-2020 13:42

WyleECoyoteNZ:
The other concern is that in the Govt replacing the existing fleet with EV's, is the output from the existing fleet will still exist. One would assume the existing fleet will end up on the second hand market, and although the Govt's emissions will reduce, isn't it just moving the problem, for now? If they do it may have the effect to someone replacing a old car with a newer, second hand one.

These ex-government ICE vehicles will be, by and large, newer and more fuel efficient that the NZ fleet average, so if they displace an equivalent number of thirsty older vehicles, that will be a nett gain to the countries CO2 emissions.

Depressing the market values of ICE vehicles is also a nett positive, as it will increase the propensity of owners to write them off rather than repairing them - no point in putting a new used engine costing $2000 installed in a car worth $1500.

Changing the whole fleet of vehicles in NZ to ultra-low / no running emissions will take at least a couple of decades.

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#2616663 5-Dec-2020 13:44

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Batman: Don't want to queue behind 1000 cars to charge during Easter?

Never had that happen before. Some of the free ones in the middle of Auckland, sure, but never the paid ones along the highways.

It should only be a matter of time before the charging network catches up with EV charging demand. Something along this line will turn up soon enough

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#2617196 7-Dec-2020 08:10

New Atlas: Aptera opens orders on 1,000-mile solar EV that never needs charging

...what if your daily driver was the closest thing on the road to a solar racer? An EV truly designed with ludicrous levels of efficiency as the primary goal? Something so aerodynamically slippery that it makes a mockery of the production car world? Well, that's the Aptera. And its manufacturers claim that its 180 small solar panels, making up an area of more than three square meters (32.3 sq ft), will harvest enough energy that many drivers will never have to charge it.

The top-spec Aptera can self-generate as much as 45 miles (72 km) of range per day in ideal conditions, which is more than twice the average daily mileage of American car owners. And that doesn't have to be a terribly large amount of energy, thanks to its extreme frugality...

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#2617199 7-Dec-2020 08:15

Autocar.co.uk: Top 10 best electric cars 2020, in the UK

1. Kia e-Niro
2. Volkswagen ID 3
3. Peugeot e-208
4. Hyundai Kona Electric 64kWh
5. Mini Electric
6. Kia Soul EV
7. Nissan Leaf
8. Vauxhall Corsa-e
9. Honda E
10. Renault Zoe

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#2617204 7-Dec-2020 08:29

kingdragonfly:

New Atlas: Aptera opens orders on 1,000-mile solar EV that never needs charging

...what if your daily driver was the closest thing on the road to a solar racer? An EV truly designed with ludicrous levels of efficiency as the primary goal? Something so aerodynamically slippery that it makes a mockery of the production car world? Well, that's the Aptera. And its manufacturers claim that its 180 small solar panels, making up an area of more than three square meters (32.3 sq ft), will harvest enough energy that many drivers will never have to charge it.

The top-spec Aptera can self-generate as much as 45 miles (72 km) of range per day in ideal conditions, which is more than twice the average daily mileage of American car owners. And that doesn't have to be a terribly large amount of energy, thanks to its extreme frugality...

Nice! 2 seater? Room for golf clubs? And therefore shopping, or 3 carry ons for a road trip

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#2617208 7-Dec-2020 08:34

kingdragonfly: Autocar.co.uk: Top 10 best electric cars 2020, in the UK

1. Kia e-Niro
2. Volkswagen ID 3
3. Peugeot e-208
4. Hyundai Kona Electric 64kWh
5. Mini Electric
6. Kia Soul EV
7. Nissan Leaf
8. Vauxhall Corsa-e
9. Honda E
10. Renault Zoe

In NZ, almost all of these cars cost the same or more then a Tesla Model 3 SR+ which is a much better car. Kia, Hyndai and co need to drop their prices about $15-20k to reflect the disparity in specs and build.

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