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MikeAqua

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#1713145 31-Jan-2017 10:22

I suspect many of us often assume that offenders think about the consequences of their action before they undertake them. For a lot of stupid/wreckless offending that probably isn't the case.

And if we are talking about teenagers ... humans tend to be poor at thinking ahead during their teenage years.

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#1713150 31-Jan-2017 10:36

Those are valid points but they shouldn't absolve offenders/teenagers from all responsibility. Even kids can be reached if they are communicated with in the right way. A campaign that portrays those who run as cowardly losers (which is what they are) might have effect over time.

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#1713227 31-Jan-2017 12:26

Another.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11791823

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#1713780 1-Feb-2017 10:44

tdgeek:
cadman:

I suspect the incentive to flee is the existing punishments for many minor transgressions are excessively punitive. Perhaps that could be addressed first.

They know the police will cease the pursuit if it endangers the public

Except Police don't actually stop pursuits until 1 minute before a crash or if there's a camera crew. Every time. Their ability to predict the crash is almost uncanny - if you believe in fairy tales.

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#1713783 1-Feb-2017 10:47

frankv:

Rikkitic:

MikeAqua:

Linux:

Correct and if caught driving a vehicle while suspended it's crushed no questions

Surely not if the vehicle has been stolen?

Of course not. But if it was done a couple times in other cases, people would be very careful about who they let use their cars.

What if the vehicle is owned by a finance company, as is typical in hire-purchase agreements?

I think that "crush the car" has great emotional appeal, but isn't practical. And it's completely unfair; it's a $5000 or $50000 fine whose amount depends solely on the value of the car you're driving.

I'd go beyond "unfair" to simply "idiotic". The whole car crushing craze is just a stupid symbolic ideology.

MikeAqua

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#1713856 1-Feb-2017 12:09

Rikkitic:

Those are valid points but they shouldn't absolve offenders/teenagers from all responsibility. Even kids can be reached if they are communicated with in the right way. A campaign that portrays those who run as cowardly losers (which is what they are) might have effect over time.

Agree. I'm not saying absolve people of consequences. I'm just saying harsher penalties won't necessarily deter people who don't think ahead. Or even a normally careful person who causes an accident and panics ...

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#1713867 1-Feb-2017 12:27

So here is a question for the engineering geniuses among us. Nearly all cars currently on the road, even older ones, have some electronics in them. Is there no way to disable a vehicle, flying saucer style, from a short distance using an intense burst of electromagnetic energy? I'm talking about something mobile that would fit into a pursuit vehicle, or maybe be placed on the side of a road, not an atomic explosion. In a few years most cars will be able to be equipped with remote shutdown devices, but is there any way to do that with current vehicles?

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#1713878 1-Feb-2017 12:40

Rikkitic:

So here is a question for the engineering geniuses among us. Nearly all cars currently on the road, even older ones, have some electronics in them. Is there no way to disable a vehicle, flying saucer style, from a short distance using an intense burst of electromagnetic energy? I'm talking about something mobile that would fit into a pursuit vehicle, or maybe be placed on the side of a road, not an atomic explosion. In a few years most cars will be able to be equipped with remote shutdown devices, but is there any way to do that with current vehicles?

KITT could do that ...

In the real world I think it has as many upsides as down.

Such a system would be vulnerable to being hacked and used for harm/nuisance.

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#1713890 1-Feb-2017 12:56

Rikkitic:

So here is a question for the engineering geniuses among us. Nearly all cars currently on the road, even older ones, have some electronics in them. Is there no way to disable a vehicle, flying saucer style, from a short distance using an intense burst of electromagnetic energy? I'm talking about something mobile that would fit into a pursuit vehicle, or maybe be placed on the side of a road, not an atomic explosion. In a few years most cars will be able to be equipped with remote shutdown devices, but is there any way to do that with current vehicles?

Not exactly. Depends on what you do. Sure an electromagnetic force strong enough will wipe out a modern cars computers and completely write the entire thing off. An old VW beetle or a mechanically injected diesel may be different. What else would you wipe out in the field of energy?
What do you do when your cars doing 100+ and your electronics are disabled. Your brakes are only effective before they lose vacuum. Your steering is electric in a modern car so thats only effective to a certain point. What about the airbags being able to be deployed when you cant control your vehicle as some gump has EMP'd your car and you hit a power pole... The list goes on.

I'd love to know how you can get the energy from a patrol car (12V) to supply a device that effectively can let out an EMP to disable a cars electronics.

You would be better releasing a highly combustible gas that gets inducted into the engine and during the combustion cycle it ignites destroying the cylinders and head. Effectively just causing a massive knock.

On a side note, Ill never own a car that can be remotely controlled by anyone or thing.

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#1714956 3-Feb-2017 14:01

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/323734/fatal-crash-driver-left-friend-to-die

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#1714967 3-Feb-2017 14:34

Rikkitic:
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/323734/fatal-crash-driver-left-friend-to-die

It's away from your original topic of 'fleeing the police', but anyway it's certainly enraging.

The judgement does not mention any previous convictions.

The real question is how to prevent this.

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#1714982 3-Feb-2017 14:59

My original topic included hit and run. I think this qualifies, but as you say, the real issue is how to prevent it. This is just a particularly loathsome example, but a lot of these people, like this creature, seem to already have established a pattern of crapping on the rules. This guy didn't even have his Restricted, and apparently he already had a record of traffic violations. Some of those who run from the police are too young to have a record yet, but many seem known to them. Surely there is some way to anticipate at least some of these people, and cut them off before they kill someone. Maybe a cop could visit likely future offenders, apologise for invading their privacy, then point out to them in no uncertain terms what will happen if they do this or that, and how much worse it will be if they also run. It might help, and it would at least let them know they were being watched.

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#1715114 3-Feb-2017 18:31

Here's a quick search for the city I live in... https://www.google.com/search?q=adelaide+police+pursuit&oq=adelaide+police+persuit&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0j69i64.9337j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=adelaide+police+pursuit&tbm=nws

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