Ah I misunderstood. I think whatever it is, it needs to be seamless, for private use, the current RUC system is too clunky

Dingbatt:

 

 From that perspective the Fuel Excise at least captures everybody. My car uses 5.2l/100km so if I get charged more than $42/1000km (@ $0.80/litre fuel excise) I'll be really p'd off.

 

If I had my way the excise would be replaced with a pollution tax. I venture to guess the kind of cars that get driven around unregistered and un-WOFed are likely to suffer greatly from pollution taxes added to fuel.

SaltyNZ:

 

If I had my way the excise would be replaced with a pollution tax. I venture to guess the kind of cars that get driven around unregistered and un-WOFed are likely to suffer greatly from pollution taxes added to fuel.

 

I don’t know about pollution, but your wish will certainly be granted wrt carbon dioxide tax. Hence my belief that the cost per litre for petrol will only marginally drop from its current level and we will be taxed by RUCs. So pay + pay (+gst).

MikeAqua:

Senecio:

 

For heavy vehicles, the cost of using E-Road is often more than recouped in savings. One of the big advantages of E-Road is the GPS tracking so it knows when you're on a public road and when you're on private property. Some of our delivery vehicles can cover up to 5% of their total annual kilometres on private property (Driveways, maneuvering through shopping centre carparks and distribution centres. With E-Road yo only pay RUC for those kms covered on public roads. 

 

That won't be much of an advantage for private vehicles unless you like doing laps of the Countdown carpark!

 

 

The costs are recouped IMO if you consider the staff time saved.  Let alone fines averted.

 

The advantage of an analogous system for private vehicles would be the inconvenience avoided.  A bit like having your prepay phone on auto top-up.  My vehicle is 8,000 km overs its RUC right now.  That's because I can't be bothered filling out the form.

gzt: Both GPS and IOT mobile are tech overkill and not needed for average motor vehicle use.

Standard vehicle OBD for distance and NFC for reading is enough.

It depends what you want to include in the RUC. A dumb distance based RUC can simply monitor the OBD for mileage, yes. If you wanted to include congestion charges or only charge for RUC while on the road then you need a smarter device that tracks your position as well as your distance.

Right, sent my submission. 😎

SaltyNZ: It depends what you want to include in the RUC. A dumb distance based RUC can simply monitor the OBD for mileage, yes. If you wanted to include congestion charges or only charge for RUC while on the road then you need a smarter device that tracks your position as well as your distance.

gzt: 
It's not needed. Toll roads and congestion charges are implemented many places without any need for GPS and mobile IOT.

Yes, you can just have a ring of gateways around the congestion area, but GPS allows you to be smarter about it and charge more for people who actually drive more in the congestion zone rather than a flat fee on entrance which is the same no matter whether you pop in and out or drive around in it all day.

Bit of a moot point though. The NIMBYs and climate change denialists would start an armed rebellion over the idea.

Dingbatt: I was just pondering.
Will the RUCs be greater if your car is worth more than $80000 (because you are 'rich').


Note: The total value of all our cars combined is less than $80K.

i don't see why it should be. Just weight class. Seems pretty easy to game though: my car isn't worth $80k, I just sold it to my trust for $1!

SaltyNZ:

 

Dingbatt: I was just pondering.
Will the RUCs be greater if your car is worth more than $80000 (because you are 'rich').


Note: The total value of all our cars combined is less than $80K.

 

 

 

i don't see why it should be. Just the weight class….

 

Ah, but you are bringing common sense and logic into the equation. Not just ideology.

But additionally, since EVs by their very nature are heavier than their ICE equivalents, should they pay higher RUCs?

The push into EVs -> heavier vehicles -> more RUC revenue?

SaltyNZ:

 

Dingbatt: I was just pondering.
Will the RUCs be greater if your car is worth more than $80000 (because you are 'rich').

Note: The total value of all our cars combined is less than $80K.

 

i don't see why it should be. Just weight class. Seems pretty easy to game though: my car isn't worth $80k, I just sold it to my trust for $1!

 

How much does the trust insure it for though?
Plus there's the Red Book values that insurance uses for most vehicles anyway, so getting the "value" isn't hard.