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I like how everyone claims electric cars to be environmentally friendly. The lithium batteries they use and the processes required to produce lithium are anything but environmentally friendly. Can't see the greenies giving up their mobile phones, or even protesting about things such as this, anytime soon though.
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All that aside, I agree - EV's in bus lanes is a dumb idea.
I don't understand why you talk about lithium and then post a picture of a copper mine ( http://www.mining.com/bhp-rio-anglo-fear-effects-of-chiles-new-labour-bill-59481/ ) and a diamond mine ( http://gizmodo.com/the-nearly-mile-wide-diamond-mine-that-helped-build-the-1593234924 )
Here's a lithium 'mine'
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There have been few electric car fires so far. But they do happen, and with the Tesla Model S the end result can look horrifying
The battery fires in the kind of battery packs used in the Tesla are hard to extinguish, but they burn slowly and have not caused any deaths to date.
According to this article there has been no casualties in EV fires: http://insideevs.com/number-of-fire-related-deaths-per-year-caused-by-evs/
AND the number of EV fires are significantly less than fires in ICEs. Those fires are actually deadly. So if a volunteer want to stay safe, he or she should probably stay away from regular ICE fires.
Wikipedia article about EV fires - with a section about the fire you can see the result of in the picture above:
A fire occurred in a Tesla Model S charging at a Tesla Supercharger in Norway on January 1, 2016. The fire was slow, and the owner had time to unplug the car and retrieve possesions. An investigation by the Norwegian Accident Investigation Board (AIBN) indicated that the fire originated in the car, but was otherwise inconclusive. In March 2016, Tesla stated that their own investigation into the incident concluded that the fire was caused by a short circuit in the vehicle's distribution box, but that the amount of damage prevented them from determining the exact cause. Tesla stated that the Supercharger detected the short circuit and deactivated, and a future Model S software update would stop the vehicle from charging if a short circuit is detected.
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Talkiet:Here's a lithium 'mine'
As "tidy" as Lithium extraction can appear, unfortunately, Lithium isn't the only constituent of a typical Lithium Ion battery, we also have to consider the Cobalt primarily.
Let's be clear Cobalt is a problem, Lithium may be less of one, but necessitating getting any constituents for our power source out of the ground is a problem, whether it's oil or Li/Ni/Co/Al/Mn.... they all have environmental and some of them serious societal issues.
Right now, all we can do, is pick a lesser evil.
Bring on cold fusion.
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jarledb:There have been few electric car fires so far. But they do happen, and with the Tesla Model S the end result can look horrifying
The battery fires in the kind of battery packs used in the Tesla are hard to extinguish, but they burn slowly and have not caused any deaths to date.
According to this article there has been no casualties in EV fires: http://insideevs.com/number-of-fire-related-deaths-per-year-caused-by-evs/
AND the number of EV fires are significantly less than fires in ICEs. Those fires are actually deadly. So if a volunteer want to stay safe, he or she should probably stay away from regular ICE fires.
Wikipedia article about EV fires - with a section about the fire you can see the result of in the picture above:
A fire occurred in a Tesla Model S charging at a Tesla Supercharger in Norway on January 1, 2016. The fire was slow, and the owner had time to unplug the car and retrieve possesions. An investigation by the Norwegian Accident Investigation Board (AIBN) indicated that the fire originated in the car, but was otherwise inconclusive. In March 2016, Tesla stated that their own investigation into the incident concluded that the fire was caused by a short circuit in the vehicle's distribution box, but that the amount of damage prevented them from determining the exact cause. Tesla stated that the Supercharger detected the short circuit and deactivated, and a future Model S software update would stop the vehicle from charging if a short circuit is detected.
No doubt that fire near a tank of gasoline is as deadly as it gets if and when that fuel ignites.
I specifically mentioned fire because unlike ICE fire, there is an additional hazard of Li-ion battery fire - highly toxic fumes in an enclosed chamber. I guess a fire extinguisher isn't going to solve that problem. What is important in my ignorance, could be a 100% fire proof wall which is also 100% air tight (remember the toxic fumes) between battery pack and passenger cell.
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As "tidy" as Lithium extraction can appear, unfortunately, Lithium isn't the only constituent of a typical Lithium Ion battery, we also have to consider the Cobalt primarily.
Let's be clear Cobalt is a problem, Lithium may be less of one, but necessitating getting any constituents for our power source out of the ground is a problem, whether it's oil or Li/Ni/Co/Al/Mn.... they all have environmental and some of them serious societal issues.
Right now, all we can do, is pick a lesser evil.
Bring on cold fusion.
Hehe, right now electricity is the lesser evil, even when it is produced by coal it gives a lesser CO2 fotprint than oil. The lithium battery packs used by the likes of Tesla is not going to get thrown away, not even after they reach their end of life in the cars. Its nowhere near "use once and its gone" as is the case with oil.
Want to see something horrific in how we produce oil some places on the earth? Look into what fracking causes of pollution, or look at the "beautiful" picture of oil sand production
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jarledb:
There have been few electric car fires so far. But they do happen, and with the Tesla Model S the end result can look horrifying
I am all for electric cars until I saw this! Lucky that the owner was quick.
That is so creepy. The car just melt...
Anyway, I am looking at retiring my 2013 car sometimes this year or next. I will pass EV cars for now. I was actually planning to drop the deposit for Tesla but might not bother about it for now.
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jarledb:
There have been few electric car fires so far. But they do happen, and with the Tesla Model S the end result can look horrifying
I am all for electric cars until I saw this! Lucky that the owner was quick.
That is so creepy. The car just melt...
Anyway, I am looking at retiring my 2013 car sometimes this year or next. I will pass EV cars for now. I was actually planning to drop the deposit for Tesla but might not bother about it for now.
Petrol cars burn too
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