Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
1 | ... | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | ... | 70
HarmLessSolutions
974 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  #3234315 24-May-2024 14:50
Send private message quote this post

Shadowfoot:

 

Jaxson:
Anyone know where they get the address to post this out?
Not an issue in my case but I don't recall entering a street address during the RUC purchase process.
Reminder to keep your registration address details up to date I guess.

 

 

I wondered that too. I'd just received my registration so I was less concerned. 

 

Prior to entering your name and plate it says:

 

Changed your mailing address or email? Update your address first so we send the RUC labels to the right place. Make sure we've got your email address so we can email your payment confirmation.

 

It seems the vehicle is associated with a person (driver's licence), and the person has an address, and that's where it goes. For privacy reasons, they won't show the name or address, but it would be nice if they told you. I'm not sure how it works for companies. At least with the registration, you're usually working with a notice they sent to you. 

 

All the government databases are interlinked so contact information is readily available.

 

We had a 'manhunt' situation happen on our rural property a couple of months back and I queried the cop who was directing things from our driveway as to where he was accessing data including my cellphone number, and that I had firearms on the property. He was drilling into my firearms licence info via his smartphone through the Police database.

 

He then asked me which property in the area had a pool as where the dog handler was showing up on the aerial map was next to a swimming pool. That just saved him having to navigate out from there to orientate himself. Quite interesting to see the tech these guys have at their fingertips these days.





https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/




Scott3

3970 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #3234316 24-May-2024 14:51
Send private message quote this post

Jaxson:

 

....

Anyone know where they get the address to post this out?
Not an issue in my case but I don't recall entering a street address during the RUC purchase process.
Reminder to keep your registration address details up to date I guess.

 



It will be the registration database. The same address your fines will be mailed to if you are naughty :)


scuwp
3885 posts

Uber Geek


  #3234326 24-May-2024 15:29
Send private message quote this post

HarmLessSolutions:

 

All the government databases are interlinked so contact information is readily available.

 

 

Not entirely true. The motor vehicle register and driver licence register maintained by NZTA make "some" information available to the police system.  The police enforce driver licence and vehicle rules so need these details to carry out their function.  In my experience the reality is there is very limited data sharing between departments and privacy rules make it incredibly hard to share information without a proper MOU and high level sign off, and even then it's usually only for a specific purpose. 

 

RUC licences, rego labels, and other communications relating to a vehicle will by default go to the registered owner at the address in the motor vehicle register, so it is important that the registration details are kept up to date.   

 

The new NZTA app is the first step in digitizing everything relating to your car   





Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation





Scott3

3970 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #3234327 24-May-2024 15:43
Send private message quote this post

JPNZ:

 

SaltyNZ:

 

Just that all vehicles should pay RUCs, and if they aren't going to do that then at least the RUCs should not be priced in such a way as to incentivise more petrol vehicles.

 

 

Currently all vehicles do pay road user charges by way of petrol tax & RUC. In what way do you believe introducing RUC's for EV's has had a greater incentive to buy a petrol vehicle?

 

I thought any EV even with RUC's at 0.76c per 100 km its cheaper than a petrol car? Especially when you factor in maintenance and running costs.

 




For clarity, Petrol & LPG vehicles contribute to the cost of roading via per liter fuel exercise. The term RUC's is only used for vehicles paying per distance (Heavy vehicles, light diesel, Hydrogen and in the transition phase BEV & PHEV).

It is proposed that per distance RUC's be rolled out to all vehicles (replacing National Land Transport Fund perhaps ACC leavy) component of duel exercise duty. But currently there is no timeline for this.

 

 

 

You have the RUC rate incorrect.

It's $76 / 1000km  (works out to $7.60 / 100km or 7.6 cents per km). Plus the $12.40 fee per transaction.

 

Break even point is roughly 9L/100km in petrol consumption, The vast majority of new petrol cars sold are more efficient than, many dramatically so.

An electric i-miev will pay about 2.4x the road tax of a Yaris Hybrid.



 

 

 

In terms of if an EV is still cheaper to run, Where you charge the EV, and what your comparison vehicle is a big factor.


 

  • Charging on residential Electricity, with RUC's, a smaller EV (i.e. Leaf) has roughly the same fuel & tax running costs as a Toyota Aqua.
  • Charging on paid fast chargers, with the above situation, the leaf has dramatically higher (~double) the fuel and tax costs.
  • If you compare an EV that competes with a thirster petrol car (say a EV9 vs a Mazda CX-9 @ 10L/100km WLTP), the EV will have dramatically lower fuel and tax running costs on home charging.

 

 

 The issue with the status quo is that:

 

  • Those shopping for EV's are likely to be cross shopping with cars towards the more the more efficient end of the spectrum. i.e. Tesla model 3 prospective buyer is more likely to be cross shopping against a Camry hybrid than a v8 mustang.
  • Every petrol hybrid from Toyota comes in well under the break even threshold. (thirstiest is the highlander hybrid at 6.2L/100km).
  • Paying more road tax than comparable petrol hybrids (~2.4x on something small that competes with a Yaris hybrid or aqua, ~ 1.5x on something that competes with a highlander hybrid) provides a market distortion and makes EV's less attractive than the would otherwise be.
  • EV's kinda do need to be cheaper to run, to offset the inconvenient of dealing with short range (on cheap EV's like the Nissan leaf), or their higher purchase price (on new EV's like the EV9 vs say the highlander hybrid).



Should also note that "Paying a fair share for using the road's" has been held out as the reason to end the temporary RUC exemption for EV's. Kind grating when the outcome is not just dramatically unfair, but unfair against the transport fuel we should be encouraging. Should note that RUC's effectively killed small diesel's (VW polo BlueMotion, Suzuki swift diesel etc) in NZ. With hindsight a major win for urban air quality, but this was luck not design, and not something we should be replicating. Government could have easily set a special EV RUC at the same as what a yaris hybrid pais in fuel exercise to avoid this distortion, until we put RUC's on all vehicles)

Also the blanket exemption of EV's under 1000kg GVM also flies in the face of the call for fairness. I get that such EV's are rare, and would support a one or two decade long exemption period to encourage uptake. But if the message is that all (motorized) road users need to pay their fair share, big precedent exemptions are at odds with this.

 

 

 

Also, the timing of this couldn't have been worse. It has come right as we are reaching the Chasm between Early adaptors and the Early Majority on the adoption curve (roughly 15% ev market share for registrations last year), and roughly at the point where global supply of EV's has caught up / surpassed global demand (adamantly weak due to high interest rates, cost of living inflation etc), and just after axing the clean car discount. This has lead to the sad situation where the likes of VW is dumping it's remaining ID.4's at fire sale prices and then withdrawing the model from the NZ market which will ultimately leave NZ consumers with less choice.

Crossing the Chasm in Technology Adoption Life Cycle ...


  #3234334 24-May-2024 16:22
Send private message quote this post

Jaxson:

 

Not an issue in my case but I don't recall entering a street address during the RUC purchase process.
Reminder to keep your registration address details up to date I guess.

 

 

To the same place the car is registered to. On the Second page when buying RUC it talks about updating your address if you need to.


Jaxson
8042 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #3234356 24-May-2024 17:07
Send private message quote this post

Hey just wanted to say thanks @Scott3 for compiling all of that, good stuff and a thumbs up for the effort 👍


Shadowfoot
First time caller
385 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3234360 24-May-2024 17:24
Send private message quote this post

scuwp:

 

The new NZTA app is the first step in digitizing everything relating to your car   

 

 

The new (beta) NZTA app can't find my driver licence, even though the names and dates are exactly the same as the details on RealMe. :(





 
 
 

Move to New Zealand's best fibre broadband service (affiliate link). Free setup code: R587125ERQ6VE. Note that to use Quic Broadband you must be comfortable with configuring your own router.
lchiu7
6476 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #3234364 24-May-2024 17:41
Send private message quote this post

HarmLessSolutions:

 

lchiu7:

 

wellygary:

 

But if you are not in the trial you continue as normal and don't pay anything? , 

Damn right I'd want a reward for actually paying real $$$ in road user charges when regular  EV drivers were not....

 

 

 

 

It's a prelude to implementation of a system I think. From what my friend says it will be post paid system, not prepaid.

 

This might shed some light on what this is about Video link

 

 

 

 

Interesting the reporter interviews one driver who is against the proposal but doesn't probe the driver how the highways are going to be maintained then?


ech3lon
369 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  #3234538 25-May-2024 11:57
Send private message quote this post

Website seems to have a bit of issue today..

 


richms
28187 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3234567 25-May-2024 13:23
Send private message quote this post

Glad I did it 10 days ago or so. And there is not even that many EVs to have to buy them, few 100k at worst. Hopeless if it cant handle that.





Richard rich.ms

  #3234569 25-May-2024 13:25
Send private message quote this post

Yep, I just estimated what i thought i would be at the end of the month and used that as the value when i brought mine. Will tick over that value in the first few days of next week.


richms
28187 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #3234570 25-May-2024 13:30
Send private message quote this post

Jase2985:

 

Yep, I just estimated what i thought i would be at the end of the month and used that as the value when i brought mine. Will tick over that value in the first few days of next week.

 

 

You are making a declaration when you buy them so you meant to say that you entered a genuine correct reading at the time you bought them.

 

Just because it may be a nice round number is just coincidence.





Richard rich.ms

  #3234571 25-May-2024 13:45
Send private message quote this post

richms:

 

Jase2985:

 

Yep, I just estimated what i thought i would be at the end of the month and used that as the value when i brought mine. Will tick over that value in the first few days of next week.

 

 

You are making a declaration when you buy them so you meant to say that you entered a genuine correct reading at the time you bought them.

 

Just because it may be a nice round number is just coincidence.

 

 

Semantics, it is correct for when they need to be displayed on the vehicle. 

Least i have them. lots of people wont and will be on the temp ones for more than the 7 days after you need to have them.

 

 


HarmLessSolutions
974 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  #3234572 25-May-2024 13:48
Send private message quote this post

ech3lon:

 

Website seems to have a bit of issue today..

 

 

That's what I'm seeing. We seem to have broken NZTA's website!





https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/


HarmLessSolutions
974 posts

Ultimate Geek

Subscriber

  #3234573 25-May-2024 13:50
Send private message quote this post

Jase2985:

 

Yep, I just estimated what i thought i would be at the end of the month and used that as the value when i brought mine. Will tick over that value in the first few days of next week.

 

No problem. Just don't display the label until your odo passes the initial reading figure.





https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/


1 | ... | 54 | 55 | 56 | 57 | 58 | 59 | 60 | 61 | 62 | 63 | 64 | ... | 70
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00


eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07


BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21


eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01


WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32


RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26


Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24


Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05


Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01


Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22


Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46


Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42


D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34


Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15









Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.