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#3114021 10-Aug-2023 09:15

... and in the same vein are these new 2CV-based vans being produced in the UK. I can see these being bought by a few w@nky retailers for home deliveries around town, but other than Citroen obsessives imagine there's not a huge market for something that slow, small and low range!

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#3114037 10-Aug-2023 10:08

SaltyNZ:

According to Schneiderman, the replacement cost of the cable was US$2,700, or roughly $4,400.

Apparently his cable wasn't made of the traditional 'copper' but rather solid platinum.

Monster cable maybe? Delivers electrons in a more pure way than others can 🤣

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#3114049 10-Aug-2023 10:20

jonathan18:

... and in the same vein are these new 2CV-based vans being produced in the UK. I can see these being bought by a few w@nky retailers for home deliveries around town, but other than Citroen obsessives imagine there's not a huge market for something that slow, small and low range!

Especially not at £40K

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#3114171 10-Aug-2023 15:55

I know everyone's joking about platinum cables, because of these price.

The most conductive metals are silver, copper, gold, zinc, nickel, platinum, in that order. (Unless that Korea room temperature super-conductor is actually a thing.)

Silver plated wire is used in many electronic and cable applications where signal stability is a concern.

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#3114176 10-Aug-2023 16:19

kingdragonfly: I know everyone's joking about platinum cables, because of these price.

The most conductive metals are silver, copper, gold, zinc, nickel, platinum, in that order. (Unless that Korea room temperature super-conductor is actually a thing.)

Silver plated wire is used in many electronic and cable applications where signal stability is a concern.

It appears that the price was inflated because he gave the cost of replacing the entire charging box, (presumably with a new cable that has one end permanently fixed - or at least not easy to remove)

As for the Superconductor , the chatter seems to heavily indicate that its most likely a diamagnetic semiconductor, rather than a superconductor, - they both apparently float in magnetic fields

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#3114296 10-Aug-2023 18:07

jonathan18:
... and in the same vein are these new 2CV-based vans being produced in the UK. I can see these being bought by a few w@nky retailers for home deliveries around town, but other than Citroen obsessives imagine there's not a huge market for something that slow, small and low range!

Looks like is starts at NZD 65,000

I suspect you'd attract more attention than any comparably priced truck, though yeah it's going to be slow.

Many years ago I had a friend with a tiny Japanese Kei truck. Man I enjoyed that truck!

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#3115220 13-Aug-2023 09:07

This is a US view about it's sometimes cheaper to fill up an ICE than charge an EV but of course over there petrol is usually cheaper than here and it's not easy to convert the range estimate/cost to the actual price of electricity.

https://www.carscoops.com/2023/08/study-shows-charging-an-ev-costs-more-than-filling-up-an-ice-car-per-100-miles-driven/

A quick check of PGE rates for EV's shows this summer rate table. That is a lot more than I pay on Genesis which is 14c (or about US7c) per kWh from 9am to 7am.

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#3115227 13-Aug-2023 10:24

jonathan18:

... and in the same vein are these new 2CV-based vans being produced in the UK. I can see these being bought by a few w@nky retailers for home deliveries around town, but other than Citroen obsessives imagine there's not a huge market for something that slow, small and low range!

That is cool, I like it. If I owned a French Bakery (my wife would love to own a French bakery) it would be great for brand image. Could be good for a vine yard or wine shop.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3115228 13-Aug-2023 10:28

My wife drove a BYD Atto last week and loved it. She thinks we should get one as a secondary vehicle. I mentioned to her the apparent fire risk with this brand but she still loves the idea.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3115233 13-Aug-2023 10:58

MikeB4:

My wife drove a BYD Atto last week and loved it. She thinks we should get one as a secondary vehicle. I mentioned to her the apparent fire risk with this brand but she still loves the idea.

Wait, I thought that BYD were using the LFP batteries, or is that only on certain battery capacities?

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#3115247 13-Aug-2023 12:08

MarkH67:
MikeB4:

My wife drove a BYD Atto last week and loved it. She thinks we should get one as a secondary vehicle. I mentioned to her the apparent fire risk with this brand but she still loves the idea.

Wait, I thought that BYD were using the LFP batteries, or is that only on certain battery capacities?

A quick Google search will reveal the unfolding issue with BYD vehicles spontaneously combusting.

Here is a crazy notion, lets give peace a chance.

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#3115249 13-Aug-2023 12:16

MikeB4:

A quick Google search will reveal the unfolding issue with BYD vehicles spontaneously combusting.

With many of those reports linking back to serpentza's YouTube presentations. His bad relationship with the CCP is more the basis for these stories than any real evidence with the EVs he is calling out being misidentified for starters.

https://www.harmlesssolutions.co.nz/

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#3115254 13-Aug-2023 12:45

jonathan18: I called into my local MG dealer yesterday, and they were saying they haven’t received the final specs and pricing, and think that the distributors are sounding out the market before confirming these. Could still come out with the smaller battery at a price below $50k. Same point made here:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/131717580/mgs-latest-ev-news-leaves-more-questions-than-answers

My wife and I took an MG4 for a test drive on Friday; generally really impressed with the car (both looks and performance), and in most ways it would be perfect as a Leaf replacement for her.

The problem is, while she’d be fine with the battery size/range of the entry level model ($40k + ORCs after rebate), it misses out on the heated seats and steering wheel - and apparently that’s a step too far as it’s a downgrade from her current Leaf. (I’d have thought the ability to turn on the heater remotely for 10 minutes would be adequate, but it looks like there are problems with that not working unless the car is actively charging or not plugged in.)

While it’s another $3k for the 2nd tier model, that only provides a larger (non-LFP) battery (and a bit more power, that seems to only compensate for the extra weight); it’s a further $5k to get the bells and whistles of the heated seats, 360 camera (plus seemingly some additional safety features; other benefits are mainly aesthetic).

So, for her, the initial relative bargain of a $41k EV is then $49k. So she’s thinking of sticking with her Leaf for a couple more years, waiting for s/h mid-range MG4s (or similar) to come onto the market. I’ve no clue what s/h prices of such cars will be like, especially given other factors such as the likely removal of the rebate should the govt change. Any thoughts on this?

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#3115256 13-Aug-2023 12:53

I had a chance to look over an MG4 yesterday. Not test drive yet as those were all booked up. I will try to do that over the next few weeks.

First impressions was that it was pretty basic. But then what else do you need? The screens seemed clear and the seating was comfortable although it had no lumbar support. Looked quite nice in the orange colour. It’s a shame you have to go up in trim level to get BSM and a 360 camera but I think the standard range version would make a good urban family runabout.

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#3115260 13-Aug-2023 13:02

Yep, fairly basic but for a general city runabout it’ll do everything asked of it. I prefer the interior to the ZS. Given that it’s an EV platform, I was surprised to see the rear floor wasn’t completely flat, with a hump in the middle - but it’s not really large enough for three in the back for anything but short trips.

Being used to the Tesla interface, I found the MG interface a bit irritating (eg, the GPS is not intuitive); but it has CarPlay/AA (plug-in only) so probably not much of an issue.

Our dealer has four in stock - all of the same spec (Essence), which is annoying - would have been good to have seen/driven the entry-level Excite (given the aesthetic and feature differences). We drove the orange (which would be my choice), but they also had red (what my wife would choose) and (an ugly) blue. Doesn’t seem to be any issue getting a test drive in the provinces!

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