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#1920478 16-Dec-2017 09:13

https://www.hevshop.com/single-post/2017/05/30/Nissans-Note-E-power-provides-an-exhilarating-experience-for-drivers

It’s interesting to see that the above article also uses the word “unbeatable” when describing the fuel efficiency of the Nissan Note e-Power. There is a heading in the article that reads “unbeatable fuel efficiency of 34.0 km /l.”

So, the dealer is not alone with this view and I think it's taking a rather narrow view to dig around and try and disprove that the fuel efficiency of the e-Power is not "unbeatable" when it really is quite remarkable and amazing! I think the dealer was probably influenced by articles such as the one quoted above and I don't think the advertisement was deliberately designed to mislead anyone. In any event, nobody could possibly suffer any financial loss or harm as a result of relying on the advertisement (IMHO)!

And the dealer uses the same logo about EVs on all its advertisements, so you could say that using this logo on its BMW i3 range extender advertisements is also misleading because the i3 REX also has a petrol tank. If you are really concerned about the way the dealer uses its logo, why not ask Trade Me and the dealer to review the situation? But again, I don't think the use of the logo is so misleading that buyers could suffer any financial loss or harm if they buy an e-Power or BMW i3 REX from this dealer. Surely it must be obvious to even the least informed buyer that a car which can use petrol cannot have "zero emissions".

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#1920489 16-Dec-2017 10:00

frednz:

And the dealer uses the same logo about EVs on all its advertisements, so you could say that using this logo on its BMW i3 range extender advertisements is also misleading because the i3 REX also has a petrol tank.

That doesn't make sense. The i3 REX CAN use petrol, but that is an option. The i3 can run purely on electricity. The i3 can run on pure battery power for the daily commute and all trips with enough charging points along the way. If it needs more range between charging there is an option of using the petrol powered range extender motor but that could be something the driver rarely uses or maybe as the charger network expands that could be something that a driver finds they never use.

The Note e-Power MUST use petrol, it is the only option it has.

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#1920507 16-Dec-2017 11:01

It's true that the i3 range extender ev can run solely on electricity BUT it can also use petrol to charge the battery. So people have successfully complained that it should not be advertised as having zero emissions (see the posting about this on the BMW i3 thread).

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#1920779 17-Dec-2017 14:00

Aredwood:

As if your definition of an EV gets adopted, All Toyota Pirus models would also be classified as EVs. Or easily could with a simple software update, disabling the electronic lockup clutch that directly connects the engine to the wheels at higher speeds.

Is that a new feature? The Prius has never had that in the past as it doesn't need it.

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#1920815 17-Dec-2017 17:55

davidcole: When is the electric golf supposed to be released? Since they seem to be skipping over the gte completely here.

Seems to be available now,

http://www.driven.co.nz/reviews/road-tests/volkswagen-e-golf-it-s-the-same-but-different/

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#1920847 17-Dec-2017 20:27

Took an egolf 2017 for a 1 hour jaunt yesterday courtesy of a VW dealership in Chch. Some random thoughts from me as a current Leaf G 2013 owner:

1) the egolf is clearly better in all sorts of aspects from range to instrument panel to strength of the B mode to heated windshield

2) but it's only a ~32 kWh battery (usable, as opposed to the advertised 35.8 kWh total capacity, which helps to explain the discrepancy with similar range to 28 kWh Ioniq because Hyundai advertise the usable capacity), so it's only ~15% ahead of a Leaf 2017 30 kWh (~28 kWh usable), and fuel efficiency doesn't feel that much different to my Leaf albeit expect much better in winter with less need for air con + heater to demist windshield.

3) further it's not actually 'available now' i.e. can't go in and buy and drive away this week - they're taking orders for Feb/Mar 2018. For me this means the Leaf 2018 with it's ~38kWh usable battery (and ~25% bigger boot) and possibly ~$10-15k cheaper comes back in the running (only because I was vaguely entertaining getting a 2nd EV now).

4) however VW is offering battery warranty - apparently replacement with 100% SOH if your battery drops below 70% before 8y/160000km. Don't think Leaf 2018 has the equivalent, simply because no NZ Nissan dealership is selling it (yet).

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#1921317 18-Dec-2017 14:22

"A breakthrough has been achieved in getting new and used EV batteries into New Zealand"

I am happy that my knowledge and experience have been utilized in making what seemed to be impossible before - now possible:
http://evtalk.co.nz/ev-battery-import-breakthrough/

We were conducting testing on traction batteries in New Zealand for a few years, but the stumbling block up till now was to get donor batteries.

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#1921393 18-Dec-2017 16:03

VW eGolf at Gazley in Wellington

http://www.gazley.com/electric

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#1921399 18-Dec-2017 16:27

WyleECoyoteNZ:

VW eGolf at Gazley in Wellington

http://www.gazley.com/electric

But as per @paulchinnz, will they actually let you take it home, or will they indent you an order

They do have an actual vehicle on the lot, we live nearby and I have seen it pootling round the local streets..

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#1921701 19-Dec-2017 09:36

frednz:.
And the dealer uses the same logo about EVs on all its advertisements, so you could say that using this logo on its BMW i3 range extender advertisements is also misleading because the i3 REX also has a petrol tank. If you are really concerned about the way the dealer uses its logo, why not ask Trade Me and the dealer to review the situation? But again, I don't think the use of the logo is so misleading that buyers could suffer any financial loss or harm if they buy an e-Power or BMW i3 REX from this dealer. Surely it must be obvious to even the least informed buyer that a car which can use petrol cannot have "zero emissions".

If you can't plug the car in, it's not an EV.

This car can't run without petrol, so it's a non-pluggable hybrid.

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#1921794 19-Dec-2017 11:16

Linuxluver:

If you can't plug the car in, it's not an EV.

The definition needs to be better than that.

It's even possible to fit a battery and motor system to a trailer that enables the trailer to be moved without a vehicle ...

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#1922167 19-Dec-2017 20:21

Linuxluver:
frednz:.

And the dealer uses the same logo about EVs on all its advertisements, so you could say that using this logo on its BMW i3 range extender advertisements is also misleading because the i3 REX also has a petrol tank. If you are really concerned about the way the dealer uses its logo, why not ask Trade Me and the dealer to review the situation? But again, I don't think the use of the logo is so misleading that buyers could suffer any financial loss or harm if they buy an e-Power or BMW i3 REX from this dealer. Surely it must be obvious to even the least informed buyer that a car which can use petrol cannot have "zero emissions".

If you can't plug the car in, it's not an EV.

This car can't run without petrol, so it's a non-pluggable hybrid.

This article defines an electric car as follows:

An electric car is one that runs on, and is ‘charged up’ with, electric power alone. An electric car is only ever refuelled with electricity itself, which enters the car (normally) by means of a charging cable, and never by liquid or other fuel. The electricity is stored in batteries before being used by electric motors to drive the car’s wheels.

This is in contrast to hybrid cars, which have electric elements to their powertrains but which cannot be considered ‘electric cars’ due to the presence of a petrol engine. This point has caused confusion recently, as some manufacturers (and indeed commentators) have incorrectly referred to hybrid cars as ‘electric cars’.

Perhaps this definition should be adopted in New Zealand?

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#1924535 24-Dec-2017 12:22

This is relevant because various economists have said the a New Zealand subsidy would NOT help EV sales.

I don't agree.

What Would Happen In The U.S. If Electric Car Incentives End?

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#1924656 24-Dec-2017 17:24

kingdragonfly: This is relevant because various economists have said the a New Zealand subsidy would NOT help EV sales.

I don't agree.

What Would Happen In The U.S. If Electric Car Incentives End?

All the evidence says credits / rebates / subsidies help to increase EV sales by narrowing the gap between EV pricing and ICE pricing.

As for the US, the US$7500 Federal tax incentive survived the Republican tax changes. That's interesting. Tesla is a US based technology leader. An exemplar or risk-taking entrepreneurial enterprise. The Republicans killing it would have had very bad optics.

I'd support NZ government help in developing EV conversions for popular ICE models. That's less wasteful and could be huge in the parts of the world new cars are much less common.

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#1924672 24-Dec-2017 17:34

Seeing the writing on the wall, auto parts makers have been looking to a post-ICE future since 2010.......

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/12/22/ngk-spark-plug-solid-state-battery-ev/

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