VW’s ID.Buzz Here In The New Year

I’ve just seen another GZ member’s post over on Cheapies, detailing the means by which Mach-Es can be got at bargain basement prices - 

Bloody hell, a brand new, decent-sized EV that can do 0-100 in 3.7 seconds for $65,000??!! I must say this is the first time I’ve felt really tempted to move on from my RWD Model Y (as opposed to pipe dreams of a Taycan or similar). Of course, I’d take a big hit on the $72k I spent on the Tesla, but that Ford is so much car and speed for the money…

Onto other matters… Anyone want to buy a two year old  Model Y for $65k?!

Every story I hear about Taycans and eTron RS GTs is a tale of depreciation woe. The money that's been lost owning those things is absolutely stunning.

A different kind of car but the Kia EV9 GT started out with a RRP of $135K but almost immediately discounted to $100k for brand new or about $89k ex demo. You'd be sick if you paid $135 for one.

johno1234:

Every story I hear about Taycans and eTron RS GTs is a tale of depreciation woe. The money that's been lost owning those things is absolutely stunning.

A different kind of car but the Kia EV9 GT started out with a RRP of $135K but almost immediately discounted to $100k for brand new or about $89k ex demo. You'd be sick if you paid $135 for one.

 

I reckon a lot of Taycan and RS GT owners cannot actually afford them as a good number are leased or financed not outright purchased. That doubles the pain.

jonathan18:

 

I’ve just seen another GZ member’s post over on Cheapies, detailing the means by which Mach-Es can be got at bargain basement prices - 

 

RWD $45,000 (RRP $74,990), GT: $65,000 (RRP $116,990)

 

Bloody hell, a brand new, decent-sized EV that can do 0-100 in 3.7 seconds for $65,000??!! I must say this is the first time I’ve felt really tempted to move on from my RWD Model Y (as opposed to pipe dreams of a Taycan or similar). Of course, I’d take a big hit on the $72k I spent on the Tesla, but that Ford is so much car and speed for the money…

 

 

 

Onto other matters… Anyone want to buy a two year old  Model Y for $65k?!

 

I bought my Mustang Mach-E GT about three weeks ago, for $75k (brand new) — which was a steal even at that price!

Coming from a long line of Golf GTIs and 3-litre (six cylinder) BMWs, I'm finding the instant power and the 0–100 time incredibly satisfying. Here I was thinking my GTIs were quick…

And yet, a family member bought a Mercedes GLS450d for $140K (ex demo so $15K off) at the same time as I got my Model 3. They have just been offered $90K as a trade-in. So a third depreciation in the same timeframe.

It just proves buying a new car in NZ is a mug’s game. But if you can afford it and want “that new car smell”, then all power to you. Just don’t complain about the depreciation. It always has, and likely will always be, precipitous in NZ.

Edit: just read Benjip’s post above. A little bit envious, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it!

More details on the NZ Mustang model runout

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360476453/ford-slashes-its-electric-suv-down-under-50k

amazing.

gzt:

 

More details on the NZ Mustang model runout

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360476453/ford-slashes-its-electric-suv-down-under-50k

 

amazing.

 

"The cars are supplied straight from the Ford NZ compound in Auckland and have been registered by the distributor, so are effectively coming into the market via the dealer network with an ownership history."

So they likely clipped the ticket and claimed the $7K government rebate on these, :) - be interesting to see the registration dates 

The Final wash up of the scheme is fairly telling,

the "Ute tax" recovered less than 1/2 of what was paid out.. it needed over $300 million of Govt money to keep the thing afloat...

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-car-discount-ended-on-31-december-2023/clean-car-discount-scheme-financial-reports/

wellygary:

 

gzt:

 

More details on the NZ Mustang model runout

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360476453/ford-slashes-its-electric-suv-down-under-50k

 

amazing.

 

 

"The cars are supplied straight from the Ford NZ compound in Auckland and have been registered by the distributor, so are effectively coming into the market via the dealer network with an ownership history."

 

So they likely clipped the ticket and claimed the $7K government rebate on these, :) - be interesting to see the registration dates 

 

The Final wash up of the scheme is fairly telling,

 

the "Ute tax" recovered less than 1/2 of what was paid out.. it needed over $300 million of Govt money to keep the thing afloat...

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-car-discount-ended-on-31-december-2023/clean-car-discount-scheme-financial-reports/

 

 

 

There's a hell of a lot more than $7k difference between the original price of these and the present one. The CCD is neither here nor there in that respect.

Also the Ute tax/CCD scheme was on a hiding to nowhere as soon as it was given a fixed duration. Of course anybody that was considering the purchase of a DC ute would delay doing so with the tax due to finish just down the line. The CCD was a good strategy but there was too much political interference in play for it to function as it was supposed to.

NZers aren't stupid and will schedule their spending for maximum gain. Just look at how many EV owners delayed paying RUCs until the end of the 'grace period'. That in itself would have denied the tax man a fair whack in lost revenue. Back in the day it was standard practice to fill your car's tank before the Budget was read. The same thing will happen when the FET system is replaced by RUCs with even more potential fallout due to the number of vehicles it will involve.

wellygary:

 

gzt:

 

More details on the NZ Mustang model runout

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/360476453/ford-slashes-its-electric-suv-down-under-50k

 

amazing.

 

 

"The cars are supplied straight from the Ford NZ compound in Auckland and have been registered by the distributor, so are effectively coming into the market via the dealer network with an ownership history."

 

So they likely clipped the ticket and claimed the $7K government rebate on these, :) - be interesting to see the registration dates 

 

The Final wash up of the scheme is fairly telling,

 

the "Ute tax" recovered less than 1/2 of what was paid out.. it needed over $300 million of Govt money to keep the thing afloat...

 

https://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicles/clean-car-programme/clean-car-discount-ended-on-31-december-2023/clean-car-discount-scheme-financial-reports/

 

 

 

Pre-registered saves you another $2k of on-road costs for the minor irritation of being the 2nd owner.

$65k for the range topping vehicle is astounding value. Not many in the range would have been eligible for the clean car discount (unless Ford NZ sold them under the $80k limit which I wouldn't think they would do) so likely represents a significant loss for them, but better to get stock moving at a lower price than have it gathering dust at a higher price.

MGs range topping xpower has a RRP of about $60k, but can be had at various dealers for circa $50k, but this is a smaller car than the Ford and isn't really a suitable "family" car if you have large / young adult rear passengers.

BYD seem to be heading towards PHEV with the Sealion and the new Shark ute. The Atto, Dolphin and Seal are still current offerings, and the seal is a heck of a car to drive, but the range topping 3.8s remains north of $80k

jonathan18: Well, I’ve read and watched some content comparing the Mach-E and the Model Y and have found enough reason to put and end to my interest in swapping the (slow version of the) latter for the (super-fast version of the) former - interior space.

I didn’t realise that rear passenger room is more generous in the Y - both in terms of width (wider; more comfortable for three across) and leg room. I’ve got two teenage boys so this is important. Similarly, the significantly larger boot of the Y is something we couldn’t give up at the moment.

Oh well, it was a nice idea while it lasted! Bring on the kids leaving home and I won’t have the same need to prioritise capacity… but if that’s the case I can then go for an EV hatch or - hopefully - wagon!

Handsomedan:

 

 

I didn’t realise that rear passenger room is more generous in the Y - both in terms of width (wider; more comfortable for three across) and leg room. 

How big is the difference (in real-world terms)? Just curious. 

 

Interestingly, some of the data I've found indicates more shoulder/hip space for the main two rear passenger seats in the Ford (despite it being narrower externally) - see screenshot below. But some reviews have said it's really only suitable for two, whereas the Tesla can cope ok with three adults. This is partly because the middle seat is apparently much harder in the Ford, and foot room is more limited (the Telsa has a decent cut-out). Main rear passenger foot space is apparently around 7cm more in the Tesla, but also the front seats are on risers and it's easy to fit your feet under the seat in front (something I don't think that's feasible with the Ford?). Then there's the roof line; the Ford slopes much more, which cuts into headspace (and also boot space).

All this is based on what I've read, so those who have driven both cars would be much better positioned to comment.

Still, if we hadn't got used to the space in the Y already I'm sure I'd have been able to justify buying the GT over the Y!