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#243407 10-Dec-2018 19:52

Notice in the ak city council downtown parking building lift today:

Commencing Monday 21st January 2019. The parking charge per hour will increase to $4.50 and the capped rate will rise to $40 per day

Daily from $24 capped to $40 capped. The competition Wilson's parking will be cracking open the champagne tonight.

No official confirmation anywhere so far. Does anyone have more details - is other ak city council parking affected?

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#2142741 10-Dec-2018 20:16

Ouch that is expensive

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#2142742 10-Dec-2018 20:20

The capped rate is for hourly parking isn't it? Don't most people pay "early bird" rates?

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#2142758 10-Dec-2018 20:55

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#2142761 10-Dec-2018 21:02

timmmay:

The capped rate is for hourly parking isn't it? Don't most people pay "early bird" rates?

Working "Developer hours" puts me outside of early bird...

There is another park near downtown that's "earily Earily bird" makes me laugh.

I don't miss public transport or paying for those parking buildings..

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#2142833 10-Dec-2018 22:58

timmmay:
The capped rate is for hourly parking isn't it? Don't most people pay "early bird" rates?

Auckland Transport ditched eairly bird 4 years ago.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/63295772/auckland-transport-cans-early-bird-parking

In short, it was counter to the wider goals of auckland transport to encourage people to drive into the cbd at rush hour on their roading network. Much better that the parks be available for visitors / shoppers etc than officw workers.

Other carpark brands still offer it.

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#2142845 10-Dec-2018 23:21

Do the council car parks fill up each day? If so, then a price increase is justified. On the basis of the council earning a good rate of return on their assets.

If not, then the council is just throwing away money. And they should set the charges at a level so the car park will reach 95% full each day.

If they want to encourage public transport usage. They could easily do number plate recognition. Figure out which cars are there most days, look up the addresses of their owners. Use the arrival and departure times to calculate the approximate times the drivers leave home and arrive back at home. This and surveys of people using the car park would be an ideal way of identifying gaps in the public transport network.

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#2142876 11-Dec-2018 07:08

Aredwood:

If they want to encourage public transport usage. They could easily do number plate recognition. Figure out which cars are there most days, look up the addresses of their owners. Use the arrival and departure times to calculate the approximate times the drivers leave home and arrive back at home. This and surveys of people using the car park would be an ideal way of identifying gaps in the public transport network.

Would that run into privacy issues? I know there are cameras everywhere but I still don't like the idea of Big Brother following my every move and mining my data.

Apart from that, the title of this thread immediately evoked Terminator images of cars filled with skeletons jumbled together on ruined city streets. Possibly just a tad apocryphal?

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#2142891 11-Dec-2018 07:46

Slowly but surely increasing the prices of all parking. This year they removed weekday evening hourly parking in civic (aotea square) car park. Used to be $2/hr after 6pm but now its just $12 flat!

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#2143573 11-Dec-2018 20:19

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Not Auckland related, but Wellington buses went to snapper earlier in the year, and you used to be able to use your snapper card for on street car parks.

Now the Wellington City Council have upgraded parking machines to accept paywave, but in doing so means snapper no long works...

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#2143696 11-Dec-2018 22:51

I'd say this has at least some part to do with incentivizing public transport. Parking buildings are not value for money and I don't think its necessarily a service the council should be providing - especially considering the Auckland Council ones are much cheaper than Wilson/Tournament.

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#2143711 11-Dec-2018 23:32

bmt:

I'd say this has at least some part to do with incentivizing public transport. Parking buildings are not value for money and I don't think its necessarily a service the council should be providing - especially considering the Auckland Council ones are much cheaper than Wilson/Tournament.

Would sound like Auckland Transport logic; make petrol/parking more expensive than just lowering the cost of public transport, the public transport in Auckland is crazy expensive.

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#2143736 12-Dec-2018 06:01

lNomNoml:
bmt:

I'd say this has at least some part to do with incentivizing public transport. Parking buildings are not value for money and I don't think its necessarily a service the council should be providing - especially considering the Auckland Council ones are much cheaper than Wilson/Tournament.

Would sound like Auckland Transport logic; make petrol/parking more expensive than just lowering the cost of public transport, the public transport in Auckland is crazy expensive.

No it isn't

Costs me $1.80 to travel 6km or $3.60 to get to town around 10km. Unless you have work supplied parking pt is way cheaper.

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#2143829 12-Dec-2018 09:01

I use the Downtown carpark daily, but the other way around to most users of it.

I keep my car there overnight (I live on Waiheke) and take it out during the day.

AT charges me $99 (I think) a month for this, which I feel is quite reasonable. I get charged the hourly rate if I take my car out after 9am, or take it back in before 4pm (so if I go home early and park in the carpark at 3.30PM, the next day it will cost me $4 to get out).

The only hassle with this (and I don't mind paying the $4/$4.50 soon per hour for going home early) is when I take a day or two (or annual leave) and leave my car in there - $24 a day (soon to be $40) adds up to not really wanting to take a holiday or day off. Most times it isn't a hassle, as if I'm taking a day or two off, I'm usually going somewhere in the car.

I must investigate somewhere to leave the car at other times in the future (workmate, relative etc.) when I am not going to be using the car and have to leave it somewhere.

I agree that they have to make a return on those buildings - they are on very expensive bits of land, and they should be discouraging people driving into town.

I also feel, whilst on the topic, that Park and Rides at the bus and train stations should be charged for - why should other ratepayers be paying for the bit of land for only about 200 people to leave their car on all day? (On that - Waiheke has the only Park and Ride facility in Auckland which does charge for parking - make it everywhere).

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#2143859 12-Dec-2018 09:35

bmt:
I'd say this has at least some part to do with incentivizing public transport. Parking buildings are not value for money and I don't think its necessarily a service the council should be providing - especially considering the Auckland Council ones are much cheaper than Wilson/Tournament.

Wrong. For day rate parking in Auckland City nearby Wilson's services are usually cheaper than council provided parks.

Hourly rate parking correct Wilson's is usually more expensive.

If the council increases casual hourly prices the business associations complain that affects shopping. Day rate parking does not affect random shopping much.

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#2143867 12-Dec-2018 09:46

Aredwood: Do the council car parks fill up each day? If so, then a price increase is justified. On the basis of the council earning a good rate of return on their assets.

If not, then the council is just throwing away money. And they should set the charges at a level so the car park will reach 95% full each day.

If they want to encourage public transport usage. They could easily do number plate recognition. Figure out which cars are there most days, look up the addresses of their owners. Use the arrival and departure times to calculate the approximate times the drivers leave home and arrive back at home. This and surveys of people using the car park would be an ideal way of identifying gaps in the public transport network.

I'd say it's at 70-75% most days. My guess is this is about the right average. Rainy days more drivers. Train disruptions more drivers. Special events. Etc.

Aiming for 95% average utilisation implies variable charging or occasional disruption for regular users not finding a park. Increased queing at entry. Increased space searching. Following wait times etc.

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