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Topic # 225604 26-Nov-2017 10:35
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Amazon is listing the Seagate Backup Plus Hub 8TB External Desktop Hard Drive Storage on sale at the moment, US$ 149 (40% off). This item ships to New Zealand.





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  Reply # 1907919 26-Nov-2017 11:08
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A bare 8TB hard drive can cost $250, so this is a good price. Shame you can't just shuck the drives any more because sometimes they have weird interfaces, I want another 4-8TB drive for my PC.





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  Reply # 1907925 26-Nov-2017 11:17
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I know nothing about this but reviews of the SMR type drives drives towards the bottom of the Amazon page are worth reading.


 
 
 
 




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  Reply # 1907961 26-Nov-2017 13:32
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Im tempted by these - Seagate Backup Plus 5TB Portable External Hard Drive USB 3.0 powered drive.

 

Anyone know if that will run ok on an xbox one x? Stupid thing is full already.





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  Reply # 1907964 26-Nov-2017 14:23
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No idea, but did plug a 2GB WD Elements portable HDD into an ordinary Xbox One bout a year ago and its still going strong.





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  Reply # 1908029 26-Nov-2017 17:43
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richms:

 

Im tempted by these - Seagate Backup Plus 5TB Portable External Hard Drive USB 3.0 powered drive.

 

Anyone know if that will run ok on an xbox one x? Stupid thing is full already.

 

 

i have one of those but havent tried in anything but mu PC


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  Reply # 1908049 26-Nov-2017 18:20
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I'm now wary of using drives of that type/size for main storage.

 

Having lost a few (smaller) hard drives that had stuff on it I wanted, I would be worried about losing 8TB in one go. Yes, I had backups. But recovering several TB from optical disks is still a PITA. It was circa 2TB using 4.3GB DVDs then, not I use 50GB BD-Rs, but it would still be a pain.

 

Recovering 8TB off 50GB BR-Rs would be circa 160 disks to copy. Even 40 disks for 2TB is irritating and takes a few days.

 

If you go that route I would recommend getting two, and keeping one as an exact copy of the other. Or getting a cheapish 2-bay NAS enclosure and mirroring the drives. Yes, it will cost more. But that will all be worth it when a drive fails. And that's when, not if. And if the data/material stored matters, you need a third copy as well (remember, RAID is not a backup).


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  Reply # 1908143 26-Nov-2017 20:16
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I'm now wary of using drives of that type/size for main storage.

 

Having lost a few (smaller) hard drives that had stuff on it I wanted, I would be worried about losing 8TB in one go. Yes, I had backups. But recovering several TB from optical disks is still a PITA. It was circa 2TB using 4.3GB DVDs then, not I use 50GB BD-Rs, but it would still be a pain.

 

Recovering 8TB off 50GB BR-Rs would be circa 160 disks to copy. Even 40 disks for 2TB is irritating and takes a few days.

 

If you go that route I would recommend getting two, and keeping one as an exact copy of the other. Or getting a cheapish 2-bay NAS enclosure and mirroring the drives. Yes, it will cost more. But that will all be worth it when a drive fails. And that's when, not if. And if the data/material stored matters, you need a third copy as well (remember, RAID is not a backup).

 

 

why would you even bother with optical discs? would be a huge amount more expensive to back that amount of data back up.

 

320 (25gb discs) at ~$2.5 each = $800

 

could buy 3 discs and have change. 2 for your place and one off-site.


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  Reply # 1908626 27-Nov-2017 19:21
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being SMR, i'd be careful using these in certain software raid configurations.

 

Don't expect this thing to be a rocket-ship, its a solid performer for cold storage :)

 

 

 

Personally i still opt for the toshi's, they can be a little loud, get a little warm... but solid price and amazing speed.

 

Even my cold storage machine onsite, I'm slowly replacing with the toshi drives, as it simply preforms far better on rebuilds.

 

 





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  Reply # 1908646 27-Nov-2017 19:52
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cheers for the heads up - have purchased :)


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  Reply # 1908734 28-Nov-2017 05:33
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would you get pinged for gst on this ? or under $400 still a go? 





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  Reply # 1908916 28-Nov-2017 11:35
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Under $400 (incl shipping) would be exempt of collection - I see Amazon might collect a deposit but if Customs doesn't charge it then Amazon refunds the deposit.





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  Reply # 1909001 28-Nov-2017 13:52
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why would you even bother with optical discs? would be a huge amount more expensive to back that amount of data back up.

 

320 (25gb discs) at ~$2.5 each = $800

 

could buy 3 discs and have change. 2 for your place and one off-site.

 

 

Because good optical disks (HTL, not LTH or organic-dye DVDs) are good for cold storage, relatively insensitive to light or cold, and can sit on a shelf quite happily for decades and still be readable. Reportedly (much) longer is you spring for M-Disks.

 

Also your cost numbers are quite a bit off. Buying in quantity I land 50GB disks for around $NZ 2.14 each ($US 225 for 150). So the calculation is more 160 disks at ~ $2.17 each = $342; which is only 43% of your estimate.

 

It's easy and, once over the initial hump, not too time consuming. I keep my media on networked a RAID5 server. As files are added to that I also copy them to an external USB disk. Each time the transferred media directory reaches 50GB I burn the files to a disk and delete them. So, I have an easily accessible backup if the server goes south. And a safe, albeit more inconvenient, off-site cold storage second backup if the first backup is defective.

 

It takes time and a bit of expense. But nothing like the time it took to capture and encode all the films/TV series, rip and encode the BDRs/DVDs/CDs and take the photos & video footage in the first place. Plus some of the content (photos, video, documents) is irreplaceable.

 

Coming back on topic, I would still use these disks for backup purposes, for temporary "scratch" storage or to move files around. But not for primary storage, for the reasons I stated.


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