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#2824081 3-Dec-2021 23:29

TeaLeaf:

Not sure how, he was to replace Somerville. He should be bowling instead of Somerville. This was known to be a bounce wicket that pace bowlers enjoy. Somerville should never have been in the equation, Wagner is the fastest left hand bowler in history to 200 test wickets, he bowls as many or more overs than a spinner at a much lower avg than any NZ spinner. Its a no brainer which imo should have been in the first test and most expert were adamant was a formality for this test. But Kane is still pulling the strings.

Also if you play GP you have a spin bowler with a better first class bowling average and close to same batting average as Ravindra, so that was a no brainer for me as well instead of Mitchell. Instead NZ have tried to get too cute with their team in a test that is possibly more important than the WTC final. Winning a tour in India, how many, if any?

Now Somerville bowling his well flighted pies, going for 5.5rpo. Yeah, well done Kane, Larsen and Stead. Clap clap. Wagner watches on in fury, what a waste of his talent sidelined for a long time, what a waste. May as well not bowl him in NZ on similar pitches. He would be sticking to chest high bounce on this wicket and frustrating a 5fa out of Ind. Instead NZ will let them off the hook, again.

Frustrated with the so called brains of NZC.

Ravindra is new looks good with the bat and is a spinner, but he will grow. Ajaz will get 6 this innings, was going to mention that earlier. Southee isnt taking wickets but economical, Ajaz is on fire, the rest aren't doing it. maybe Wagner would, who knows. He wouldn't bowl a ton of overs due to heat and humidity. End of the day we are down on all bowlers, so batting is a premium. We can't stack our team with bowlers, so I see the reasoning with batters. We have them and that includes Rav and Somerville. GP, put him on the wickets and drop Blundell. Bats not bad and is a spinner to use up overs to rest the others, bit of variation, where he is easy so they target him and make a batting mistake.

Mayank goes out, we can pull them back and make it an even day. Ajaz with new batters will be a good watch

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#2824082 3-Dec-2021 23:29

TeaLeaf:
Sigh, when Ajaz is your only wicket taker you know something wrong. Southee was good. Jamo not using his height correctly on sooooo much bounce.

NZ need wickets yet have 2 part time bowlers and one full timer who are pretty pointless in the team, Ravindra maybe if he can find something, but his FC avg doesnt suggest any hope. Patel not a big time wicket taker but showing why a wrist spinner like himself or in white ball Sodhi are lethal on bouncy wickets like this,

NZ could go well here with Jadeja out of the Indian team. 2 more wickets and a crumble.

Ajaz Patel a wrist spinner. Lol.

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#2824084 3-Dec-2021 23:36

TeaLeaf:

Sigh, when Ajaz is your only wicket taker you know something wrong. Southee was good. Jamo not using his height correctly on sooooo much bounce.

NZ need wickets yet have 2 part time bowlers and one full timer who are pretty pointless in the team, Ravindra maybe if he can find something, but his FC avg doesnt suggest any hope. Patel not a big time wicket taker but showing why a wrist spinner like himself or in white ball Sodhi are lethal on bouncy wickets like this,

NZ could go well here with Jadeja out of the Indian team. 2 more wickets and a crumble.

Seamers haven't taken wickets, do you think they arent trying? Southee was good, i agree. Him and KJ need to take wickets, even one each, as on this day, Ajaz who is bowling brilliantly is keeping us in the game. And its not luck, its skill. Remember, we lost Kane they gained Kohli, and so far we have got past that double hit.

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#2824085 3-Dec-2021 23:43

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Im biased on suiting NZ how, with Kohli called out by the umpire? Not sure how saying it was not out is suiting NZ....... when its the direct opposite.

Some movement from that last ball from Jamo, maiden. Better. He needs to run the outside off line and use the cutter 3/4 ball that comes in and is so often played on, once an over as a surprise wicket ball. Or the fuller length yorker but be careful because not much movement in the air.

No, not what the umpire called, he called what he saw in split second. Its inconclusive whether it was bat or pad first, so no decision possible. On that Kohli wasn't out, thats my opinion irregardless that he's the opposition. If a try is scored but no one can see it grounded due to all the players on top of it, its no decision, dont know, cannot say.

I feel its a bit unfair for you to coach an international bowler as if he has no clue. Its not easy to place the ball exactly where you want every ball at speed. He is doing his best. Might be tired or trying too hard, who knows.

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#2824089 3-Dec-2021 23:54

Handle9:

TeaLeaf:

Ajaz Patel a wrist spinner. Lol

Thats what Im saying this is the sort of pitch he and Sodhi would enjoy which Sodhi is NZ's only complete wrist spinner who can bowl every delivery. Patel supposedly better economy....

Sodhi is our best wrist spinner, but the fear with him and tests was accuracy on green surfaces, which ironically is where he is our best white ball wicket taker (or behind Lockie depending on injury).

Its the finger spinners I have no interest in, in India. Somerville simply is a silly reason not to bowl Wagner and Ravindra is not as good as Phillips, so meh. You have 3 meh bowlers, Mitchell, Ravindra and Somerville, all to accomodate not selecting Wagner and Phillips. Just makes no sense and so far has no justification, if anything so far the performance shows why it was a dumb move.

Ind going 3.6rpo this session, yet Jamieson in 3 overs only 1 run, vs 5rpo when he started, has done well. The one run was the ball I mentioned where he will try to go through the gate but might get wrong trying to swing it when there is zero swing. Otherwise hes held the other end.

But NZ again need that 3rd wicket taker. Worth trying Mitchell for a golden arm delivery, but I doubt it :-)

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#2824091 3-Dec-2021 23:56

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No

Sigh. No what, I am saying exactly what you said. So YES.

Ravindra could sneak one or two through the gate here.

Edit: And there is why Ravindra needs to work on his bowling before being considered more than a part timer, drags down another pie. Go for the gate.

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#2824092 4-Dec-2021 00:03

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But NZ again need that 3rd wicket taker. Worth trying Mitchell for a golden arm delivery, but I doubt it :-)

Southee, KJ, Ajaz, thats three.

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#2824093 4-Dec-2021 00:11

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No

Sigh. No what, I am saying exactly what you said. So YES.

Ravindra could sneak one or two through the gate here.

Edit: And there is why Ravindra needs to work on his bowling before being considered more than a part timer, drags down another pie. Go for the gate.

No what? Ive already explained why the third umpire could not decide if it was bat or ball first as the only frame showed both.

Rav is new, he's raw, he bowls a likely one every now and then. How can you bag one ball he got hit to the boundary? Its sport not robots.

Part timers? Thera re part timers in most sides. We dint have 5 boults or 5 wagners or 5 KJ's. We have strike bowlers to take wickets. The part timers are just that, not expecting wickets but they will/might take the odd one, their role is to spread the bowling load. Helpful if they can bat a bit as well, so as to reduce the dilution of their spot if they are bowlers who won't get many wickets. Batting contribution tops that up.

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#2824094 4-Dec-2021 00:13

Sensational innings, and India again showing NZ you have to play for runs not just block it to keep the bowlers from settling (outside Ajaz). Considering his average it is the sort of match saver you need, this is the sort of innings you want from somebody like Nicholls, when the rest of the top order fails, Nicholls pulls out a match settler, he needs to start producing more of them.

3.3 rpo is simply a positive run rate, not risky, just positive. So even if you lose wickets, you are not 110-4 after 58. Big difference the 70 runs makes, puts Ind in a position with plenty of batting to come, of getting 400+ which pretty much spells draw or win for Ind, without looking too far ahead. But even without Jadeja Ind still have plenty of quality spin and if NZ block instead of tickle the singles, the bowlers will start putting fieldsman around the bat.

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#2824095 4-Dec-2021 00:22

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Sensational innings, and India again showing NZ you have to play for runs not just block it to keep the bowlers from settling (outside Ajaz). Considering his average it is the sort of match saver you need, this is the sort of innings you want from somebody like Nicholls, when the rest of the top order fails, Nicholls pulls out a match settler, he needs to start producing more of them.

3.3 rpo is simply a positive run rate, not risky, just positive. So even if you lose wickets, you are not 110-4 after 58. Big difference the 70 runs makes, puts Ind in a position with plenty of batting to come, of getting 400+ which pretty much spells draw or win for Ind, without looking too far ahead. But even without Jadeja Ind still have plenty of quality spin and if NZ block instead of tickle the singles, the bowlers will start putting fieldsman around the bat.

Thats all fair, but India are batting and bowling at home. Thats tough, we last won a series there in 1988 I think. When India are in NZ its a whole lot different, we are at home where batting and bowling, we use that advantage very successfully.

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#2824098 4-Dec-2021 00:26

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No what?

Rav is new, he's raw, he bowls a likely one every now and then. How can you bag one ball he got hit to the boundary? Its sport not robots.

Part timers?

hahahaha, forget it, we are in agreeance, you making points nobody is disagreeing with.

Of course but your part timer is your 5th bowler who just changes ends. Not sure hes quite there to be the 5th bowler though. But then Id say that of GP and Somerville. Hes bowling a pie an over, needs to tidy that 1 ball up. NZ chose to leave the Wagner out, was just not expected Somerville would play and a lot expected GP to play over Mitchell. Ajaz had produced this innings, but we need a seamer that plays the role that Wagner does. If GP plays you have Ajaz and 2 part time spinner, which are no worse than Somerville at the moment and you gain Wagner. Not much else to be said about the team that most expected to be selected but wasnt, other than its not doing much to win. NZ playing for the Draw for the WTC.

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#2824099 4-Dec-2021 00:35

This is going to be a mine field by day 4, NZ I have no idea how they going to avoid a loss here. Ind spinners will be licking there lips demanding a declaration already haha.

Looking ahead how many losses we can afford away, but will make cleaning up every tour of NZ a must pretty much. The WTC is more alive now its had a full run through and seems more exciting imo.

Mitchell got one ball to swing that last over, very odd. NZ just need another wrist spinner here, even dare I say santner would have been beter than Somers. Ind get 400+ its definitely a win if Ajaz, not a big turner even with wrist, is getting big spin day 1.

Agarwal offside dominant but a pretty decent spread all round the park in this fine innings, has saved Ind. They always have somebody who just defies that tail opening. Much like Aus in Aus.

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#2824100 4-Dec-2021 00:43

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Of course but your part timer is your 5th bowler who just changes ends. Not sure hes quite there to be the 5th bowler though. But then Id say that of GP and Somerville. Hes bowling a pie an over, needs to tidy that 1 ball up. NZ chose to leave the Wagner out, was just not expected Somerville would play and a lot expected GP to play over Mitchell. Ajaz had produced this innings, but we need a seamer that plays the role that Wagner does. If GP plays you have Ajaz and 2 part time spinner, which are no worse than Somerville at the moment and you gain Wagner. Not much else to be said about the team that most expected to be selected but wasnt, other than its not doing much to win. NZ playing for the Draw for the WTC.

GP is a part timer, all part timers are there to fill out the overs. So GP, Rav, Somerville, Mitchell are all part timers. They can all bat. We need that. So you could just choose any of those and leave one out, doesnt really matter. Wagner comes in, so you reduce the batting, that means less spinners playing in India, where their spinners rock, and if we had a good spinner we would have one, which is what we seem to have spinner wise. Now of we had Boult and wagner in, the bowling looks good, but you then have to accept less runs. If we were playing at home we know we can bat VERY well against India on our tracks, that leaves India in a conundrum. They cant bowl as well in NZ and they cant bat as well in NZ. Thats the conundrum we have in India.

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#2824101 4-Dec-2021 00:51

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Thats the conundrum we have in India.

Not really. You bowl Wagner in test 1 we could possibly have won by finishing both Ind innings off 100 runs earlier.

This test we are 1 wicket away from mid-tail. Which is what Wagner offers vs Mitchell and a very under performing spin bowler and 5th bowler.

But if you want to disagree, you knock yourself out, you disagreeing with a lot of so called experts in India. Not just me.

Id rather stick to talking about the current situation given the team has been selected and they have to play with the ham strung team and some how not lose. Of course a couple of wickets caught in frustration earlier would have resolved that problem.

Mitchell has been a good. I hope somers comes back and just uses his flight and the huge bounce. He has to hit the right spots.

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#2824102 4-Dec-2021 00:53

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This is going to be a mine field by day 4, NZ I have no idea how they going to avoid a loss here. Ind spinners will be licking there lips demanding a declaration already haha.

Looking ahead how many losses we can afford away, but will make cleaning up every tour of NZ a must pretty much. The WTC is more alive now its had a full run through and seems more exciting imo.

Mitchell got one ball to swing that last over, very odd. NZ just need another wrist spinner here, even dare I say santner would have been beter than Somers. Ind get 400+ its definitely a win if Ajaz, not a big turner even with wrist, is getting big spin day 1.

We drew in Kanpur, should not have got that close due to Youngs non LBW.TAB had India at Mumbai at 1-65, Draw 3-60 NZ 6-60. That the reality of playing India in India. Even after 4 wickets that blown out slightly in India's favour, so that's another opinion of how hard it is. Now its 1-25, 4-40 and 8-80, pity we didnt nail Mayank around his half century.

213/4 after 69, thats 277 at 90 overs (as those should be made up through the match) So, if its around that after 90 its not a bad day.

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