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#2520804 10-Jul-2020 14:54

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/06/titans-v-warriors-rein-doubtful-tevaga-ready-to-go/

I think tonight should be a good sign of where we are at, Titans going about as good at us despite 1 loss more.

Warriors get RTS, Pompey, Tevaga and Burr back.

I think Pompey deserved to be in the interchange given his 150 metre avg and his tries along with fairly solid defense for a winger come Lock when needed.

Tevaga is an obvious choice as an experienced Samoan international at hooker should Egan continue with this stuffing about the play the ball way too often. I would prefer Lawton be starting at hooker and Tevaga as interchange. But management saw something in the unwanted Penrith hooker, Egan. I have to say, Adam Keighran got 1.5 games, one of which he was brilliant, then was dumped in Favour of CHT who is not a running half, so we hastily bought Kodi for an insane price, management trying to patch up the mistake of letting Johnson go, but I dont get why they didnt given Keighran more games, or not buy him and play Hayze Perham. But back to Egan, it is just time he performs or is released, if thats how the owners are culling this year to rebuild a team (which had just been built when the CEO dismantled it). Is hard to know what managements game plan is but is clear what the owners is. I would say RTS is the only safe player in the team, especially with George being the one reporting to the owners, he has to come up with an Exscuse every week why they are not performing, once he runs out of players it will all become clear.

Anyway, Kodi is out tonight, again I do not understand why the touted Hayze Perham is not being played. Its obvious CHT can handle 6, but he doesnt havt the speed or step of Johnson or supposedly Perham. He has had plenty of game time to be prepared for taking over from Green next year.

Like Jamie Soward, STRONGLY pointed out, NZ needs to be developing and playing their home grown talent that is filling up other teams due to us not developing players well or letting them go. https://www.nrl.com/tv/shows/inside-the-nrl/2020/episode-8---where-to-now-for-warriors/

CNK was an aussie coached/trained player, why did we buy him if we had no intentions of using his brilliance. Which right now we could use as we are looking to replace Hiku or potentially Herberts spot in the centres next year. All I have to say on that is, its not the wingers offensively at fault it is the 6. All the centres have to do is catch and pass if the 6 executes the play, its really simple part of Rugby League the overlap. Good teams do it at will, bad teams just never get the ball wide.

Soward despite not quite understanding the lack of NRL culture in NZ, is right, we should not have super stars ending up at other clubs, we are not watching our own u16 and u20 club games strongly enough to be filling our feeder teams. I bet the CEO is not doing anything about this, he is just busy trying to put out fires, most of which he created. But we do need it addressed. We easily have the talent to win the NRL, I know Russell Crowe laughed when questioned if we could and just said "easily". I wish someone would pick his brains as to how, but for me its the scouting staff, the head coach and the CEO, thats where we are going wrong. I think a CEO who silently just runs the BUSINESS and not the players outside signing off their cheques. Scouting staff who are finding the best u16 players in NZ and fitting them into out u20 team along with poaching obvious X facto Union players to transition to the team, and a Coach who can instill 24 rounds of 120% effort, not 1 or 2 now and then. Thats the difference between Internationals and the NRL. Also a coach who can improve indiidual players, make the most of what he has got, ie get Kodi running fast diagonally at the line ball in both hands which makes players look at the ball not their defensive line, just get that draw and pass overlap going with the occasional step which he possesses. So many players could just do with some guidance on where they could improve and improve the team.

I think Peyton knowing he has nothing to lose may have given the offensive players a free reign when the plays are on, we may see some of the warriors of old being played the rest of this year. As RTS is saying here, ADAPT !!!

https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/07/10/rts-urges-warriors-to-adapt-and-move-forward/

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#2520809 10-Jul-2020 15:06

Its the second bottom team, we are at least a few places up. If we were consistent, which we aren't, we would win as well at least as against the Broncos. But in fact better as RTS is back. 25-10 is a par score. Acceptable. Not great, anything less is bad. I can see a drumming here, and if we did, that keeps us a little bit relevant. Warriors being Warriors you would need a run of results before you actually believed it.

I have a plate here for the possible humble pie

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#2520956 10-Jul-2020 21:55

Get me a plate please

What a pathetic team. Start off with a hiss and a roar, look good but get nowhere, and steadily fade throughout the game. This is against the second lowest team, the wooden spoon contender.

What if they play a good team, embarrassing. If they stay out of the bottom quarter thats a good effort.

Very poor I'm afraid

Edit: Titans were rubbish as expected that's what makes it worse.

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#2520957 10-Jul-2020 22:03

Well thats hard to swallow.

I have to say though, the ref calling knock on vs Fusitua went back by 1 foot, cost us 6 points, then the absurd Heathrington try taken off him because the video ref thinks him about to make a tackle which was fair as the opposition could have caught it but he pulled out then went on to ground it was an absolute shocker. 12 point turn around. Warriors as usual when shocking calls go against them they lose the plot. RTS pushing way to many passes but was just rattled by the reffing, he had a shocker, Egan was horrible, Lawton was good, I think most were ok.

You cant get points back from ref mistakes so no point going on about it. But for me its more when they make bad calls that go against you over and over again, it takes the wind out of a perfect start, the warriors playing with players in motion, all the good stuff. Hard to believe they could lose from there.But 12 point swing and no penalties given when you up 12-0 and should be 24-0 in 20 mins but is 12-6, that will play on even the best teams composure. Is easy to say cant blame the refs and I believe that 9/10. Im actually strugglng to know who to blame. You blame the refs you sound sour grapes, the team were visibly rattled by it, its perhaps just best to chalk it up as a learning experience.

Also zero penalties in a game, pull the other one, thats impossible

Well id right 2020 off now hearing players like Fus are wanting to return home. If they have sacrificed their pay I say fair enough, if not I think its a bit much getting paid mega bucks for not even half a season. I know they human, but you cant get paid if you arent working imo.

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#2520996 11-Jul-2020 09:19

Poorest game ever, not good enough not worth watching any more. A wee win against the poor Broncos with two players out showed a sign but last night, we are wooden spooners. Plain and simple. if they played anyone up the ladder thats a different league, they are B grade last night proved it. Titans are useless and they played useless, made more errors, and at this lowest of the low level we still cant cut it. Fusi etc may as well come home. They reckon family may be over soon, thats fine they can get paid and continue to just make up the numbers in a league they cannot compete in.

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#2521049 11-Jul-2020 12:00

I'm starting to have further doubts on RTS as captain. Yes he's a team player and connects with most if not all players, but some of the on field things he does doesn't exactly scream leadership. On a minor note, I wish he would talk with the referees more. He seems hesitant at times.
My main issue is that he complains about the actions of other players, making a scene. Saw it last week and saw it again last night. Jack Murchie threw a pass with force back to RTS, and RTS tried to catch it but didn't know the pass was coming to begin with. Then he sits there for 10 seconds, complaining about the play. Bro, get up and get back in the line. You're the role model of this team. Last week he kept saying "catch the f'n ball". To be fair our handling was abysmal last week, but still...

My kodi box went dead on me last night, so missed the second half. Besides the first 15 minutes, Titans seemed more threatening.

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#2521053 11-Jul-2020 12:17

Wakrak:

I'm starting to have further doubts on RTS as captain. Yes he's a team player and connects with most if not all players, but some of the on field things he does doesn't exactly scream leadership. On a minor note, I wish he would talk with the referees more. He seems hesitant at times.
My main issue is that he complains about the actions of other players, making a scene. Saw it last week and saw it again last night. Jack Murchie threw a pass with force back to RTS, and RTS tried to catch it but didn't know the pass was coming to begin with. Then he sits there for 10 seconds, complaining about the play. Bro, get up and get back in the line. You're the role model of this team. Last week he kept saying "catch the f'n ball". To be fair our handling was abysmal last week, but still...

My kodi box went dead on me last night, so missed the second half. Besides the first 15 minutes, Titans seemed more threatening.

Second half the Warriors tried hard but made little progress, Titans made more handling errors yet scored and looked more threatening. Irregardless of any marginal ref calls, Titans are the second bottom team, no excuses. A 10 point win would have been a major fail. Not up to NRL this year, not good enough, no excuses.

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#2521190 11-Jul-2020 16:39

tdgeek:

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You'll be disappointed.

Based on the history books, most probably. I'll have some faith for the next couple of starts, see what happens

I guess that ship sailed.

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#2521195 11-Jul-2020 16:55

Handle9:

I guess that ship sailed.

It has, yep.

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#2525646 19-Jul-2020 16:00

Worst thing is if we had won last week we would be on the top 8 if we win this week. otherwise we will have to win 6/10.

Shaun Johnson possibly to show the CEO what a brainless twit he is, 6 tries and 2 try assists in last 3 games.

Only good news is Andrew Fafita is out, also Kodi is back who is a better 6 than CHT (although CHT is an immensely talented 7).

Back home at Gossy, lovely ground.

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#2525650 19-Jul-2020 16:09

Another kiwi scores an easy try off a warriors trained aussie half against us.

Jamie Soward is right, we need to scouting our own country and keeping them, no developing them and letting them go ala Johnson, CNK etc

OMG< I love Herbert he will not do that ever again in his career, why today when we needed the try!

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#2525651 19-Jul-2020 16:12

Oh Shaun Johnson late shift at scrum feed puts a man through a hole for a try assist. THAT is what Kodi CANNOT do, he doesnt have the offensive vision. Eat it George.

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#2525670 19-Jul-2020 16:54

That is insane from Johnson to be able to catch a ball palms facing down and to plant it within 2 inches, flap I wish we had hime.

Geeze Ronaldo Mulitalo for the sharks is AWESOME, Imagine him at centre for Warriors with Maumolo, Fus and RTS all being fast big backs, but he would be the fastest.

So next week will essentially be the end of our hopes if today isnt with Maumolo, Passi, Fusitua coming back to NZ after the Roosters game. Pulu is already back here, so we are desperate on getting Forwards and likely Backs on loan from other clubs to continue.

We have SO much possesion in the redzone and have zero offensive options aside from catch and pass. Sharks on other hand much less redzone but scored in every time they were in the 20. Obvious what our problem is, offensive options and players in the halves primarily who can provide them, or at least be coached them along with coach coaching players in motion.

Id say we had 250% redzone possession.

Hopefully whoever is coach will recognise it and get CHT and Kodi next year passing to guys like Maumolo, Harris, Passi on reverse angles at intense speed.

Edit: I hate whinging about refs, but the last thing the Warriors need with a team melting away is terrible Refs, last week was a disgrace and factually changed the score by 12 points in favour of the Titans, and the first game in history with 0 penalties is dodgy, it just doesnt happen. This week hasnt cost points, but some really silly calls. Go back to 1 ref and no video ref, its not helping and never has they are still sh...

Edit: Cooper Cronk and Braith on talking about it right now, how often we are getting into the 20 is fantastic but having no scoring capacity is the difference between us being a top 8 team next year and not. Im pretty sure after 4 years of it, its becoming obvious and we need a coach who can provide the finish because all our other stats are fantastic.

Edit: GORGEOUS Magic Johnson, THAT is a draw and pass beyond the basics, sold the centre passed it inside out to get to the wing to have it planted like Johnson USE to have Fusitua doing exactly the same thing. Also his goal kicking we miss badly. Outside sacking Cameron George and getting Johnson back to the club, if Kodi is 6 next year which he should be, how does a coach teach him to do exactly that, watch Johnson created tries over and over again, then practice it on the field, it seems so obvious but coaching somebody to be a step above their capability is just not that easy. I do believe there will be a chance Johnson will play for the Warriors again at some stage, but I REALLY want to see at 1st Grade what Hayze Perham has, give him a crack, our season has gone with 5 of our starting 13 back to NZ by next week. Im not sure if hes in the camp though.

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#2525780 19-Jul-2020 18:23

Just dont hate on the Warriors, this is flapping horrible situation for them to be in to just keep the club alive and a NZ club. In saying that again, next year, its obvious we are usually the superior team in Completions and Red Zone footy yet we cant score within the 20 but other clubs just dot it down when in the Red Zone every time more often than not. MASSIVE coaching change needed, imo massive management change needed and might possibly see it post season end, if not most definitely 2 seasons into another failing coach who gets blamed for management causing mass exodus of NZ players from the Warriors franchise instead of putting our scouts around NZ teams and retaining blatant X factor players.

I wasnt expecting much from us post SK sacking this season, well since George released all our experienced halves, Luke and CNK and then MORONICALLY sacks our #1 dynamic player and key to scoring in the red zone which we have lacked since. Aside from that, well because of that, we are in rebuilding phase, I feel we need to start playing the Kiwi guilt trip card, ie play for your country's team, most definitely keeping our talent in NZ in the Warriors (which most have been suggesting we should be doing to win the prem, outside our CEO who is an Aussie and likely doesnt care if we win or lose as long as he his paid shed loads for being a management Hack). Interesting situation with Rudolf agreeing to come to Warriors now backing out, if hes signed a contract, only way out is if the Sharks pay for him back and that will be at overs, so not bad situation either way, although he looks REAL good, we need more big lanky forwards like Harris who can do 80mins and also break the line and offload.

Anyway not great game. Lawton, Harris and Heatherington the 3 only good players today with really high intensity of the 2 aussies.

I wonder which Reserve Graders we get to borrow the 4 players leaving next weekend after the Roosters match......

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#2525784 19-Jul-2020 18:32

Wakrak:

I'm starting to have further doubts on RTS as captain. Yes he's a team player and connects with most if not all players, but some of the on field things he does doesn't exactly scream leadership. On a minor note, I wish he would talk with the referees more. He seems hesitant at times.
My main issue is that he complains about the actions of other players, making a scene. Saw it last week and saw it again last night. Jack Murchie threw a pass with force back to RTS, and RTS tried to catch it but didn't know the pass was coming to begin with. Then he sits there for 10 seconds, complaining about the play. Bro, get up and get back in the line. You're the role model of this team. Last week he kept saying "catch the f'n ball". To be fair our handling was abysmal last week, but still...

My kodi box went dead on me last night, so missed the second half. Besides the first 15 minutes, Titans seemed more threatening.

I agree. I know the play you are referring to, sure it wasnt a great height to catch it but if it had been he was in a hole, instead he blames his player for trying to create broken field play/try and gets all snooty over it because he dropped it, its the kind of thing with his skills he would swallow up 95/100, so I can understand his frustration, but the play from his forward was on, offloads are seldom perfect even top offloaders like Harris through shockers on occasion, thats why we practise fine motor skill catching, ie balls caught at low heights/difficult angles, Kearney introduced that, its part of why we changed from a 65% Completion team to an 80%+ team. So had RTS caught it and scored instead of blaming him he would have been saying thank you very much.

I have to look up Tohu Harris contract, he could be a good captain. But I think we need someone more like Green who would not just accept some of this blatant ref BS. But we dont have anybody experienced (or mature enough) to fill that the role and Im not sure if Tohu would do it more than RTS either.........

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Shaun Johnson possibly to show the CEO what a brainless twit he is, 6 tries and 2 try assists in last 3 games.

Oh Johnson did it in spades, the main turn around in the Sharks season. The 7 calls the plays but the 6 executes them (sometimes some 7s can do both but very seldom, ie Stacey Jones or Andrew Johns). Loving all these players our management let go spank us HARD. Luke made Egan look like Egan wasnt even worthy of Reserve Grade, Johnson showing Kodi what a 6 is meant to do consistently beyond being individually brilliant some games, CNK just tore strips off all the competition last year. The coach doesnt decide who to release, he only makes the team with the 30 players he has. So IMO its going to be pretty hard to defend letting go of all our 2018 talent, let alone not increasing it. I think the new owners are likely already aware of it but just want a good coach before looking for a quality CEO and changing the scouting culture of O'Sullivan

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