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#2812658 14-Nov-2021 14:59

RB's Max has already been taken out by Lewis and Perez taken out by Bottas costing millions

anyway, it's the positions at the end of the race tomorrow that matter.

just hoping for a clean race ....

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#2812709 14-Nov-2021 18:14

insane: Hamilton sithed through the pack today, suspect he'll do the same to the top order tomorrow.

Going to call the end result:

P1 Ham
P2 Max
P3 Bottas
P4 Perez

All those destructive/limit engine testing done on Bottas's car was surely to understand just how much they can reliably wring out of Lewis's last engine to try win him the title. I'm surprised RB didn't take a penalty this week too to make it a zero sum game.

Bold! Yes, he has the best engine as has always been the case, and its new, which is big. Max can be careful and just take points, Lewis has to get bigger points so more risk. With Mercedes engine teams on the grid and 4 Honda cars, controversy could be there. Each race that goes by, heavily favours Max, he can grab points Lewis can grab risk. However a DNF changes everything. Id say Max will try to win on strategy, otherwise be happy to tail Bottas every lap.

Unsure why RB would get a penalty. Drivers, as in ALL drivers poke and prod other cars, that's the precedent. They are not allowed to hug team members for the same sporting regs, as they might offload some hidden weight.

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#2812710 14-Nov-2021 18:15

Batman:

RB's Max has already been taken out by Lewis and Perez taken out by Bottas costing millions

anyway, it's the positions at the end of the race tomorrow that matter.

just hoping for a clean race ....

Clean race works for me.

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#2812967 15-Nov-2021 07:37

insane: Hamilton sithed through the pack today, suspect he'll do the same to the top order tomorrow.

Going to call the end result:

P1 Ham
P2 Max
P3 Bottas
P4 Perez

All those destructive/limit engine testing done on Bottas's car was surely to understand just how much they can reliably wring out of Lewis's last engine to try win him the title. I'm surprised RB didn't take a penalty this week too to make it a zero sum game.

Wow spot on.

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#2812983 15-Nov-2021 08:03

Batman:
insane: Hamilton sithed through the pack today, suspect he'll do the same to the top order tomorrow.

Going to call the end result:

P1 Ham
P2 Max
P3 Bottas
P4 Perez

All those destructive/limit engine testing done on Bottas's car was surely to understand just how much they can reliably wring out of Lewis's last engine to try win him the title. I'm surprised RB didn't take a penalty this week too to make it a zero sum game.

Wow spot on.

Haha, want the results for next weekend? :P

Toto is probably still telling the media that Red Bull have the fastest car.

Conspiracy theorists begin wondering if Liberty media asked Merc to sandbag to create a more entertaining season.

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#2812985 15-Nov-2021 08:09

Hamilton : bono my tyres are gone = fastest lap next 10 laps

Wolff: RB has the faster car = race win for Merc

Anyway serious analysis -

Driver of the weekend Hamilton - last to first in 96 laps

Championship still wide open as far as I'm concerned

If only we didn't have the Silverstone take down and the Bottas wipe out, things would be different, but for now it's anybody can win it

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#2812986 15-Nov-2021 08:16

Ugh, 'last to first' only counts if it's in the same race.

Also not much of an achievement in a car that's close to a second a lap quicker than the rest of the field.

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#2812991 15-Nov-2021 08:29

I used to like the AWS statistic that showed what % of the cars performance a driver was extracting on any given lap. (By looking at the all time best corner, straight, sector, lap times the driver had done)

Gave a great idea of how well a driver was performing relative to the tool they were sat on.

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#2813001 15-Nov-2021 08:51

insane: I used to like the AWS statistic that showed what % of the cars performance a driver was extracting on any given lap. (By looking at the all time best corner, straight, sector, lap times the driver had done)

Gave a great idea of how well a driver was performing relative to the tool they were sat on.

Where do we find it for this race?

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#2813002 15-Nov-2021 08:54

GV27:
Ugh, 'last to first' only counts if it's in the same race.

Also not much of an achievement in a car that's close to a second a lap quicker than the rest of the field.

Well the way I see it is max wins we have a great season next year, if Lewis wins he retires as a god and we won't have to see him again next year!

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#2813003 15-Nov-2021 08:58

Batman:
insane: I used to like the AWS statistic that showed what % of the cars performance a driver was extracting on any given lap. (By looking at the all time best corner, straight, sector, lap times the driver had done)

Gave a great idea of how well a driver was performing relative to the tool they were sat on.

Where do we find it for this race?

My 10 seconds of google foo didn't turn up any recent results. Here is the explanation of how it works though - https://aws.amazon.com/f1/driver-performance/

The full list of AWS stats are here: F1 Insights powered by AWS (amazon.com)

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#2813033 15-Nov-2021 10:51

Someone still has to drive it, so hats off to Lewis, but lets get honest here - that merc was leagues ahead of everything on that track, so much so it should be in another class level altogether. To see Lewis trying different angles etc, positioning the car differently to take lines that could lead to passes, whilst the competition were on the edge of traction in their vehicles trying to keep it on the road was nuts.

I hope the 2022 regs really do achieve a closer racing outcome. Whilst normally the field should have condensed by now, it's now what 7 years of merc dominance and still only one team this year is close to them. It's not Hamilton's fault his gear is so good, but I'm fully backing anyone who gets close. I think it's good for any sport to not have too much of a good thing, so was happy to see the recent All Blacks rugby result for example. That's good for the sport.

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#2813051 15-Nov-2021 11:05

iirc next 3 races are all power circuits ... it will be interesting ..

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#2813053 15-Nov-2021 11:08

Jaxson:

Someone still has to drive it, so hats off to Lewis, but lets get honest here - that merc was leagues ahead of everything on that track, so much so it should be in another class level altogether. To see Lewis trying different angles etc, positioning the car differently to take lines that could lead to passes, whilst the competition were on the edge of traction in their vehicles trying to keep it on the road was nuts.

I hope the 2022 regs really do achieve a closer racing outcome. Whilst normally the field should have condensed by now, it's now what 7 years of merc dominance and still only one team this year is close to them. It's not Hamilton's fault his gear is so good, but I'm fully backing anyone who gets close. I think it's good for any sport to not have too much of a good thing, so was happy to see the recent All Blacks rugby result for example. That's good for the sport.

agree. as much as i don't like LH, he is the most decorated racer ever for a reason and i respect that. as much as i don't like roger federer, his abilities never fail to impress me - no one else comes close.

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#2813485 15-Nov-2021 19:24

GV27:

Ugh, 'last to first' only counts if it's in the same race.

Also not much of an achievement in a car that's close to a second a lap quicker than the rest of the field.

Yeah. I was surprised Max lasted till lap 51. Better start, hammered by SC, gave Bottas and easy pitstop on VSC, lucky Max lasted that long when its Merc track, more bhp, new engine, DRS is huge there, then Lewis drove off the last few laps.

Re Lewis last to first, well, its a two horse race, no one else has the pace. ^ or 7 laps from the finish, 5th place was two pitstops behind, so last to first over 96 isn't that hard at all

Last 3 races will suit Merc, so I think RBR will lower the rest wings a bit

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