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#2615863 3-Dec-2020 19:46

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It’s frustrating that with the Blackcaps they are always loyal to their players and it doesn’t matter how many times they fail. If this was Australia if they don’t perform in 1 or 2 series in a row they get dropped. Guptill played over 40 tests before they decided to drop him. When will they give Conway a chance he is considered one of the top 3 players in NZ cricket. Conway can also provide more stability in the batting and it’s not just the Williamson and Taylor show.

You nailed it "Stability" Take Munro. Awesome, wonderful, record breaker potential. But value for money, he costs us every match, apart from the occasional blinder. Its often like playing with 10 players when we bat

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#2615894 3-Dec-2020 21:05

tdgeek:
Dochart:

It’s frustrating that with the Blackcaps they are always loyal to their players and it doesn’t matter how many times they fail. If this was Australia if they don’t perform in 1 or 2 series in a row they get dropped. Guptill played over 40 tests before they decided to drop him. When will they give Conway a chance he is considered one of the top 3 players in NZ cricket. Conway can also provide more stability in the batting and it’s not just the Williamson and Taylor show.

You nailed it "Stability" Take Munro. Awesome, wonderful, record breaker potential. But value for money, he costs us every match, apart from the occasional blinder. Its often like playing with 10 players when we bat

When T20 World Cup comes around they better be selecting their best T20 XI which includes Conway. A batting lineup with Phillips, Conway, Williamson and Taylor in the T20 XI will give NZ a good chance at finally getting an ICC Trophy. I know they got one back in 2000 in the Champions Trophy but that is so long ago.

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#2616390 4-Dec-2020 16:18

Great knock from the man, the myth, the Williamson

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#2616392 4-Dec-2020 16:20

Great New Zealander

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#2616396 4-Dec-2020 16:23

Jamieson on 49 now.

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#2616406 4-Dec-2020 17:04

Wakrak:
Great knock from the man, the myth, the Williamson

Should have been dropped for being too slow......

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#2616429 4-Dec-2020 18:37

Handle9:
Wakrak:

Great knock from the man, the myth, the Williamson

Should have been dropped for being too slow......

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Its a TEST match. Slightly longer than 20 overs, just.

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#2616651 5-Dec-2020 13:12

Fantastic from Williamson, same pace he plays t20s ;-p

I take my thoughts back on Jamieson. I think drop mitchell. Jamieson is the new Colin DGH.

I still think Lockie Ferguson needs to be in this team. Include him, you then have 1 real fast fast wicket taker, 2 legendary swing bowlers and the best variety bowler in the world in Wagner. And you have Jamieson as an all rounder who is more than handy with the ball. I can see him going on to be a top 5 all rounder. He bowls at 140kph consistently, hits a good length and produces bouncers from it due to his 6ft8 height, he can swing it, I think hes better than Colin. ~60no with the bat on a green pitch. Hes a keeper. But lets not wait until Lockie is 29yo and down to 140kph. Best players should be playing. Dropping Mitchell provides room for him.

Conway should be tried instead of Nicholls.

Both Glenn Phillips and Seifert have scored centuries in the NZ A vs WI A game.

So I think Glenn Phillips should be our test keeper if Watling is injured or retiring. Blundell is ok, but Glenn adds genuine batting ability at pace. 4 very good keepers is a dilemna but that is my choice,

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#2616664 5-Dec-2020 13:45

TeaLeaf:
Fantastic from Williamson, same pace he plays t20s ;-p

I take my thoughts back on Jamieson. I think drop mitchell. Jamieson is the new Colin DGH.

I still think Lockie Ferguson needs to be in this team. Include him, you then have 1 real fast fast wicket taker, 2 legendary swing bowlers and the best variety bowler in the world in Wagner. And you have Jamieson as an all rounder who is more than handy with the ball. I can see him going on to be a top 5 all rounder. He bowls at 140kph consistently, hits a good length and produces bouncers from it due to his 6ft8 height, he can swing it, I think hes better than Colin. ~60no with the bat on a green pitch. Hes a keeper. But lets not wait until Lockie is 29yo and down to 140kph. Best players should be playing. Dropping Mitchell provides room for him.

Conway should be tried instead of Nicholls.

Both Glenn Phillips and Seifert have scored centuries in the NZ A vs WI A game.

So I think Glenn Phillips should be our test keeper if Watling is injured or retiring. Blundell is ok, but Glenn adds genuine batting ability at pace. 4 very good keepers is a dilemna but that is my choice,

Jamieson has been very consistent recently since his debut against India. Would I pick Jamieson over De Grandhomme? It’s too early to tell how consistent he is with both bat and ball. If he keeps this up then yea I think he could replace De Grandhomme. I still think De Grandhomme is better than Daryl Mitchell though.

Next test they better give Conway a chance. I don’t care where be bats in the next test as long as he gets selected.

I saw the score for NZ A vs WI A. I was surprised that both Philips and Siefert opening the batting and both scoring centuries. If I had to choose who should be opening I would pick Philips over Siefert due to a better first class batting average. Do I think Philips should be opening in the test time then I’m not sure they can try but I would rather give Conway a chance at opening in a test match than Philips.

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#2616845 6-Dec-2020 08:17

Dochart:

Jamieson has been very consistent recently since his debut against India. Would I pick Jamieson over De Grandhomme? It’s too early to tell how consistent he is with both bat and ball. If he keeps this up then yea I think he could replace De Grandhomme. I still think De Grandhomme is better than Daryl Mitchell though.

Next test they better give Conway a chance. I don’t care where be bats in the next test as long as he gets selected.

I saw the score for NZ A vs WI A. I was surprised that both Philips and Siefert opening the batting and both scoring centuries. If I had to choose who should be opening I would pick Philips over Siefert due to a better first class batting average. Do I think Philips should be opening in the test time then I’m not sure they can try but I would rather give Conway a chance at opening in a test match than Philips.

CdeG? Handy, that's all he is. Batting he's in and out. Bowling he's handy at best, gets any wickets as the good bowlers are off so go after anyone. If I was bowling I'd get the odd wicket, not due to me but due to batting mistakes. We have enough depth not to do handy

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#2620404 12-Dec-2020 09:47

Dochart:

Jamieson has been very consistent recently since his debut against India. Would I pick Jamieson over De Grandhomme?

I have to say, he is a FAR better bowler than Colin, and he is YOUNG, colin is surely retiring soon. So for this reason, Ive fallen quickly for Jamieson. At 6ft8 and 145kph consistently, he offers something no other NZ bowler has, fast bouncers off a good length, they are going to take a lot of wickets with a silly man on/off with Kyle. Batting wise, he showed me enough to back Kane with 75no on a green, swinging pitch that he has the talent to make it at Test level (and all other formats), his batting will only get better with top level coaching (although I wish we would hire a proper bat coach, Luke Ronchi....). If he puts on a 30-50 today on what is a very difficult pitch made to look easy by WI dropping 10 catches in a day and not enough balls in seam up 6 inches from top of off, then I think he is going to become on of NZs all time greats and potentially a Stokes level all rounder (but better bowler).

Conway is idiotically not picked again. Is Larsen still the selector? If so that makes sense, he is a numb nut imo, wants to fill the team with dibbly dobbler bowlers with a 25 batting avg, if he could.

Nicholls frustrates the FLAP out of me. 6 of those dropped catches were from his bat. Like Santner he has this frustrating quality of performing when his place is literally on the line. I think many would have been pressing for Conway to replace him. Now Conway is forced to open. Ugggh.

Re Phillips/Seifert, no Id not use them to open, not yet anyway, have to give Blundell, Young and now Conway a go there. IMO Conway should be a shoe in over Young (who is not Young anymore either). Phillips should be our next keeper, but what is frustrating is with our aging team, our 4 Keepers, who would all have been selected as batsmen on that skill alone 10 years back, have all aged with Watling, all 29yo+. I think Seifert is like Munro, they have the opposite fortune of Nicholls but are far more talented players. Especially Munro, is only behind King Kane for 1st class AVG, and in non international T20s, ODs, is a genius batsman. I really do not know what went wrong there. But I suspect it was pressure put on him by selectors and coach to play even more intensely than his normal SR, which has been his un doing. Had they just let him be and had he had Kanes temprement, he would have been an international top 5 player and top 5 NZ all time great. Now he is just a mercenary, and like Shane Bond, f the Po Po, good on him. Loyalty is earnt in professional Sport, not given by Players, none of this for "King and Country" stuff anymore (although I think Rosco is one of the few left like this, clearly Kane too).

This Basin pitch is a ripper, had it been Aus, perhaps it would go 4 days, but I suspect BCs will post 400+ and only need 350 to wrap it up by stumps Day 3. Jamieson is going to be unplayable on the bounce and seam. The swing bowlers are going to have to adjust to no swing, which Boult is better at than Southee, Waggers is never a concern in adjusting, he has all the tricks a pace bowler can have outside Lockies speed. Speaking of which, I think if Jamieson is our last bat, with Southee having the talent but not the application, that is as deep we should ever need in a team. So for me I would most definitely want consistent 152-156kph over another all rounder like Mitchell. The greats say, that level of speed on good wickets, unplayable, due to reaction times on a good length, 6 inch diversion at 155kph is out, 99/100.

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#2620498 12-Dec-2020 15:03

Terrible for NZ cricket Lockie developing back stress injury. Doesnt sound, not that one can tell, as bad as Milne's but no doubt 155kph will drop to 140-145kph when he is fit again. Really wishing him well.

Southee simply the best, to swing a Kookaburra with no swing conditions to speak off, all seam presentation, unbelievable.

Waggers our new all rounder :-)

Jamieson had to play a support role, not his caper, 20/57. Still, thats an average of 95 this summer so far :-)

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#2620599 12-Dec-2020 18:15

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Terrible for NZ cricket Lockie developing back stress injury. Doesnt sound, not that one can tell, as bad as Milne's but no doubt 155kph will drop to 140-145kph when he is fit again. Really wishing him well.

Southee simply the best, to swing a Kookaburra with no swing conditions to speak off, all seam presentation, unbelievable.

Waggers our new all rounder :-)

Jamieson had to play a support role, not his caper, 20/57. Still, thats an average of 95 this summer so far :-)

Isn't Southee one of the pensioners?

Wagner? He is the last of the key bowlers to get a 50, against a hapless Windies.

I agree wth some of your points, but remember this is a hapless West Indies team. Its NOT representative.

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#2620617 12-Dec-2020 18:24

Jamieson 5 fer. New player, young, lucky he got a place based on NZ Crickets pensioner mentality. Even BMac is saying he will be tested on the international stage. I guess then so will Wagner and Southee???

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#2620624 12-Dec-2020 18:38

BMac, "strengthened by Kyle Jamieson"???? He took 5, Southee took 3, the strike bowlers Wagner and Boult took none. Strengthened? back in the day we had a team nicknamed the young guns. The selectors need to be open minded

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