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#140735 19-Feb-2014 02:04
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What are folks views on the ICC Cricket Rankings. n??
NZ has just won its 2nd series and is still languishing down the ladder.
Doesnt seem Fair does it.




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  #990104 19-Feb-2014 08:27
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NZ needs to win more matches against the top teams to climb the ladder. Winning against West Indies and drawing against Bangladesh doesn't do much to improve the rankings.

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  #990106 19-Feb-2014 08:30
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The rankings are a reflection over time, 3 - 4 years, so 2 series of good results don't outweigh 3 years of mediocre ones.

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  #990109 19-Feb-2014 08:38
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South Africa at number 1 for Test Cricket...

Cant wait for the SA vs Blackcaps matches.



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  #990119 19-Feb-2014 08:57
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Klipspringer: South Africa at number 1 for Test Cricket...

Cant wait for the SA vs Blackcaps matches.


+1

On the Blackcaps current form it would be an epic struggle, but my money would be on SA

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  #990121 19-Feb-2014 09:03
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The rankings reflect who you have played, where you have played them and what has happened in last 2-3 years.

The problem NZ has is that we do ok in NZ but have been really poor overseas in the last 2 years. Losing badly in South Africa and England and not being able to win in Bangladesh.

We are currently 7th now and due to money resources, talent resources NZ natural ranking is in the 5-8 bracket. Until we get a world class spinner (one who actually spins the ball), a really quick bowler and 2 opening batsmen we will be around 7 and 8 mark.

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  #990132 19-Feb-2014 09:20
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KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: South Africa at number 1 for Test Cricket...

Cant wait for the SA vs Blackcaps matches.


+1

On the Blackcaps current form it would be an epic struggle, but my money would be on SA


Well if McCullum can keep playing like he has been lately, and keep it constant then I would say the Blackcaps could have a good chance.

+ if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.

IMO the Blackcaps are playing really well of late.

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  #990160 19-Feb-2014 09:37
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Jas777: The rankings reflect who you have played, where you have played them and what has happened in last 2-3 years.

The problem NZ has is that we do ok in NZ but have been really poor overseas in the last 2 years. Losing badly in South Africa and England and not being able to win in Bangladesh.

We are currently 7th now and due to money resources, talent resources NZ natural ranking is in the 5-8 bracket. Until we get a world class spinner (one who actually spins the ball), a really quick bowler and 2 opening batsmen we will be around 7 and 8 mark.


Sodhi seems to have a lot of talent. All he really needs now is a really good bowling coach and lots of experience. I think Ish could be a huge threat to opponents in the years to come. Our fielding in my opinion is probably the best in the world at the moment and what are we score, we can add another 30 to it due to our fielding. Jesse and Guptill arent a world class opening pair but they are descent. All we need is Jesse to stop acting up (what a child). Our bowlers are also very good. Southee, Boult and Wagner are a great pace attack in tests and when you add an experienced ish sodhi to the mix, we are going to be a deadly bowling attack.

All we really need now is to gain experience. The team has finally gained momentum and confidence after a few years of struggle. This is our chance to win our first world cup and we have a near perfect team to do it :D



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  #990194 19-Feb-2014 10:10
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Klipspringer:
KiwiNZ:
Klipspringer: South Africa at number 1 for Test Cricket...

Cant wait for the SA vs Blackcaps matches.


+1

On the Blackcaps current form it would be an epic struggle, but my money would be on SA


Well if McCullum can keep playing like he has been lately, and keep it constant then I would say the Blackcaps could have a good chance.

+ if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.

IMO the Blackcaps are playing really well of late.


Absolutely, the Blackcaps remind me now of our golden era with Hadlee, Charfield, Lance Cairns, Jeff and Martin Crowe, Coney etc etc 

As for Ryder I this NZ cricket should surrender and develop a new talent.

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  #990199 19-Feb-2014 10:12
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ushare:
Jas777: The rankings reflect who you have played, where you have played them and what has happened in last 2-3 years.

The problem NZ has is that we do ok in NZ but have been really poor overseas in the last 2 years. Losing badly in South Africa and England and not being able to win in Bangladesh.

We are currently 7th now and due to money resources, talent resources NZ natural ranking is in the 5-8 bracket. Until we get a world class spinner (one who actually spins the ball), a really quick bowler and 2 opening batsmen we will be around 7 and 8 mark.


Sodhi seems to have a lot of talent. All he really needs now is a really good bowling coach and lots of experience. I think Ish could be a huge threat to opponents in the years to come. Our fielding in my opinion is probably the best in the world at the moment and what are we score, we can add another 30 to it due to our fielding. Jesse and Guptill arent a world class opening pair but they are descent. All we need is Jesse to stop acting up (what a child). Our bowlers are also very good. Southee, Boult and Wagner are a great pace attack in tests and when you add an experienced ish sodhi to the mix, we are going to be a deadly bowling attack.

All we really need now is to gain experience. The team has finally gained momentum and confidence after a few years of struggle. This is our chance to win our first world cup and we have a near perfect team to do it :D


Agree about Ish, NZ Cricket should be chucking a few extra dollars in his direction to get a decent wrist spinning coach (Shane Warne perhaps).

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  #990201 19-Feb-2014 10:15
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Jas777: The rankings reflect who you have played, where you have played them and what has happened in last 2-3 years.

The problem NZ has is that we do ok in NZ but have been really poor overseas in the last 2 years. Losing badly in South Africa and England and not being able to win in Bangladesh.

We are currently 7th now and due to money resources, talent resources NZ natural ranking is in the 5-8 bracket. Until we get a world class spinner (one who actually spins the ball), a really quick bowler and 2 opening batsmen we will be around 7 and 8 mark.


I don't think it's entirely true that the rankings take into account where the matches were played, I thought it only reflected matches/series won/lost and the ranking of your opponent. Which is why India can stay at number 2 in the world despite not having won a test away from home in three years. The ODI rankings are a little more strange since we've won series against England, India and South Africa in the past year but still can't get above #7-guess that shows how rubbish we were before 2013.

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  #990351 19-Feb-2014 12:24
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Klipspringer: + if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.


I would expect Jesse Ryder's days at international level are gone for good now (or at least a good while).  He's had many chances and blown them all.  His attitude needs to change, and he needs to address his issues.  All stuff that clearly can't happen overnight.  We don't need a bad apple in the current team given they are doing so well.

He needs to go back to club/provincial level cricket for a couple of years and prove himself on and off the field before he is given another chance.  That would mean his T20 and One Day world cup chances are gone, but this could be the wake up call he needs.

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Satch:
Klipspringer: + if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.


He needs to go back to club/provincial level cricket for a couple of years and prove himself on and off the field before he is given another chance.  That would mean his T20 and One Day world cup chances are gone, but this could be the wake up call he needs.


This is the exact same thing that happened last time.  Went back and proved himself at provincial, and then within weeks back in the NZ team, he proves how little he's actually learned.  During his 100+ days of "sobriety" last year, I saw him absolutely smashed in town one night, and my mate saw him almost get denied from a plane for being too drunk a few weeks earlier. 

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  #990491 19-Feb-2014 14:25
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nicnzl:
Satch:
Klipspringer: + if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.


He needs to go back to club/provincial level cricket for a couple of years and prove himself on and off the field before he is given another chance.  That would mean his T20 and One Day world cup chances are gone, but this could be the wake up call he needs.


This is the exact same thing that happened last time.  Went back and proved himself at provincial, and then within weeks back in the NZ team, he proves how little he's actually learned.  During his 100+ days of "sobriety" last year, I saw him absolutely smashed in town one night, and my mate saw him almost get denied from a plane for being too drunk a few weeks earlier. 


Read my email again.  I said "a couple of years", and not a few weeks as has happened before.

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  #990494 19-Feb-2014 14:28
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Ryder needs to go, he just does not perform that often, and he is taking a place from a future star or very good performer

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  #990495 19-Feb-2014 14:30
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Satch:
nicnzl:
Satch:
Klipspringer: + if Jesse Ryder could just grow up and stop all the boozing and acting like a child then the Blackcaps could have even a better chance.


He needs to go back to club/provincial level cricket for a couple of years and prove himself on and off the field before he is given another chance.  That would mean his T20 and One Day world cup chances are gone, but this could be the wake up call he needs.


This is the exact same thing that happened last time.  Went back and proved himself at provincial, and then within weeks back in the NZ team, he proves how little he's actually learned.  During his 100+ days of "sobriety" last year, I saw him absolutely smashed in town one night, and my mate saw him almost get denied from a plane for being too drunk a few weeks earlier. 


Read my email again.  I said "a couple of years", and not a few weeks as has happened before.


Too many chances and he has proven he cannot change. He is 29, needs to be gone burger

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