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#1007949 18-Mar-2014 10:48

sdav: My god I hope they find this plane soon!

Well, with either theory (hijack or rogue pilot or pilots), the evidence suggests that they went to extraordinary measures to make it as difficult as possible to find the plane soon.
When and if it's found - wreckage at sea - even black box recovery - we still might never know what the objectives were.

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#1007957 18-Mar-2014 10:54

Fred99:
sdav: My god I hope they find this plane soon!

Well, with either theory (hijack or rogue pilot or pilots), the evidence suggests that they went to extraordinary measures to make it as difficult as possible to find the plane soon.
When and if it's found - wreckage at sea - even black box recovery - we still might never know what the objectives were.

My only reasoning is so that it clears up the theories... although that probably wouldn't happen. It's probably safe to say the theories will live on well after the plan is located now regardless of what the flight data recorder or any other evidence reveals!

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#1007962 18-Mar-2014 10:59

Sidestep:
There's now a news item saying the aircraft dropped down to 5000 feet to avoid radar, this story matches the sighting of the fishermen and those people on the beach that morning. The terrain map provided by the enhanced ground warning system would make it possible to avoid terrain at night.

Hmm have to be pretty crappy radar not to catch you at 5000ft, that's where a lot of aircaft fly

That report (lord knows if I can find it again on the net - there's so much clutter out there now) was claiming that the plane was terrain hugging through the mountains (highest about 5000 ft) around the Thai / Malaysian border. Now while it mightn't have appeared continuously on radar, and I suppose would have ducked in and out of both Thai and Malaysian airspace, I'd have thought that if detected at all - activity like that should be deeply concerning to both air forces - moreso than seeing an unidentified aircraft flying a straight line E-W at a more normal cruising altitude.

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#1007969 18-Mar-2014 11:11

That was a deduction not direct evidence of flying that way

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#1008011 18-Mar-2014 12:03

Interesting theory here - could MH370 have shadowed another aircraft so as not to have appeared as a separate blip on radar?
In this case, SIA68 [a Singapore Airlines jet en route from Singapore to Spain] which passed through India and Afghanistan airspace.

http://twitchy.com/2014/03/17/did-missing-flight-mh370-shadow-singapore-airlines-777-to-evade-detection/

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#1008022 18-Mar-2014 12:29

This has already been mentioned and discussed a bit. Read back a few pages.

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#1008028 18-Mar-2014 12:38

Fred99:
Sidestep:
There's now a news item saying the aircraft dropped down to 5000 feet to avoid radar, this story matches the sighting of the fishermen and those people on the beach that morning. The terrain map provided by the enhanced ground warning system would make it possible to avoid terrain at night.

Hmm have to be pretty crappy radar not to catch you at 5000ft, that's where a lot of aircaft fly

That report (lord knows if I can find it again on the net - there's so much clutter out there now) was claiming that the plane was terrain hugging through the mountains (highest about 5000 ft) around the Thai / Malaysian border. Now while it mightn't have appeared continuously on radar, and I suppose would have ducked in and out of both Thai and Malaysian airspace, I'd have thought that if detected at all - activity like that should be deeply concerning to both air forces - moreso than seeing an unidentified aircraft flying a straight line E-W at a more normal cruising altitude.

That report was apparently in the Malaysian newspaper "New Straits Times"

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#1008041 18-Mar-2014 12:43

And now it seems they're not sure if the flight reporting system was shut down before the last voice transmission, or after.
Or even when exactly it shut down.
Opens up the possibility of aircraft systems failure again..

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#1008052 18-Mar-2014 12:56

The ghosting of another plane makes far more sense than any other theory I've come across so far. One thing that pisses me off, are those that are saying "Why didn't the passengers use their mobile phones?"

It's because they couldn't!

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#1008056 18-Mar-2014 13:01

DravidDavid: The ghosting of another plane makes far more sense than any other theory I've come across so far. One thing that pisses me off, are those that are saying "Why didn't the passengers use their mobile phones?"

It's because they couldn't!

I posted a ground coverage map back on page 6. Good coverage all through Malaysia, on the ground anyway

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#1008062 18-Mar-2014 13:21

joker97: That was a deduction not direct evidence of flying that way

I presume you are referring to the terrain hugging flying. If so you are correct, it was only speculation.

If I recall correctly someone was trying to say the 777 had been flown around terrain just like a military jet might be flown to avoid detection. Who ever promoted this theory really doesn't appreciate the vast difference between a fighter and a transport aircraft. That's not the say they couldn't/wouldn't try to fly as low as practical.

It's been said on other forums that the best way to avoid attention is to fly on a standard air route at standard altitudes, you might be seen but you don't attract as much attention as something acting in an abnormal fashion. I know this has been done on some semi military ops over the years.

Like so much other information this 5000 ft information isn't congruent with other information. Initially it was said they descended to 29500 ft which to some extent makes sense if you intend to remain on an air route.

If you take all the "facts" and start analysing them you end up with a lot of contradictions. What can you believe?

I still subscribe to the KISS principle, some of the theories are a little too complex for me.

I believe my original theory is still a possibility. An oxygen bottle failure puncturing the fuselage causing rapid depressurisation. The crew donned the O2 masks and used heading mode on the auto pilot to get the aircraft heading roughly back the way they came and probably initiating a descent. They passed out due to no oxygen supply, before they had time to set the desired altitude and get an accurate track established for the return. Time of useful consciousness at 35,000 is 30 to 60 sec and is much less in a rapid depressurisation situation. The lack of cooling air caused the avionics to overheat and the systems gradually failed. The aircraft flew out across the Indian Ocean till it ran out of fuel.

I know my theory does not explain why somethings have been reported as happening a certain times but as I said with so much conflicting information what can you believe.

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#1008063 18-Mar-2014 13:26

DravidDavid: The ghosting of another plane makes far more sense than any other theory I've come across so far. One thing that pisses me off, are those that are saying "Why didn't the passengers use their mobile phones?"

It's because they couldn't!

I don't consider the shadowing theory is credible for reasons I've already posted.

As to the use of phones. It's entirely possible the passengers were totally unaware that anything was wrong at the time the aircraft flew back over the Malaysian peninsula. There was quite likely no need to even try their phones at that time.

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#1008206 18-Mar-2014 16:38

I have occasionally sent and received txt messages where there is no displayed signal. I guess being a tiny string of data the chances of one getting through is higher. I guess a cellphone network must record the imei numbers of all phones that have tried to log into the system.
I wonder about the possibility of cellphone jamming technology, used on board by the hijackers, perhaps in a suitcase in the luggage, and if this would be detectable below to some extent? I see there are plenty of small sites in the ocean where coverage is available and where IMEI numbers might be recorded, I guess they are oil rigs.

I still have a bit of trouble believing that a passenger would not attempt to communicate bearing in mind at least some of those passengers would be familiar with the route, the large elevation changes, the turn around and the acars had to be turned off ,to disable the ACARS ( according to media anyway) they have to rip up the carpet in the aisle and if there was entry into the cockpit by hijackers that would alert passengers/flight crew who would then take the risk of trying to communicate.

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#1008210 18-Mar-2014 16:47

It's in a large hanger on a deserted airfield somewhere controlled by AQ.

Crew and passengers have been disposed of. Permanently.

It is presently being filled with C4 or some similar explosive, ready to be used as a massive weapon, probably after being repainted and having the transponder codes changed to fake a kosher flight en route to somewhere, probably in the USA.

That's my scenario FWIW.

(note to NSA: I am guessing, not going on insider knowledge!)

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#1008214 18-Mar-2014 16:52

Why are people wondering why no text messages or calls were made by the passengers ?

A Boeing 777 can fly at about 950kph, no way in hell a phone is going to get connected to a cell before being far out of range, add to that the pretty good Faraday cage the plane itself provides, oh and the fact that a good 90% of the passengers will be good little people who turn their phones off when told to.

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