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#2688283 8-Apr-2021 11:56

I'm not planning on travelling overseas anytime soon, but I'll be interested to see how many tourists come over here once the bubble is up and running.

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#2688327 8-Apr-2021 13:49

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clinty: CHC this morning
The gates thru the window are airside and away from all shops etc

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Sigh, I know its temporary (although likely for at least a year), but couldn't they have gone with something a bit more upmarket than mesh fence....

The mesh fence is just to surround the work site. I assume the piles of wood panelling in the pic will be the wall to segregated the red zone off from domestic

They have assembled solid walls up in the airside entrance

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#2688328 8-Apr-2021 13:51

afe66:
clinty: CHC this morning
The gates thru the window are airside and away from all shops etc

Clint

But why barriers at all?

Isnt the bubble idea because theres no covid?

If no covid, dont need barriers ?

This will be used for flights that are not from Oz - or are deemed to be "red" flights

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#2688339 8-Apr-2021 13:53

quickymart:

I'm not planning on travelling overseas anytime soon.

Me neither, not until I'm vaccinated, so late May / early June at the earliest.

Maybe not until all my immediate family - here and in Oz - are vaccinated, which I guess might not be until October / November

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#2688351 8-Apr-2021 14:27

Looks like Auckland are testing skipping baggage claim for red zones entirely,

Not sure how this works for MPI and customs inspections thou... or is it now open slather on bringing in Tax free Ciggies and Booze....

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/440051/passengers-get-baggage-taken-to-miq-hotels-in-pre-bubble-trial

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#2688353 8-Apr-2021 14:40

That will help while away the two weeks (fruit, booze, ciggies and ‘herbal remedies’)!

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#2688478 8-Apr-2021 17:23

WyleECoyoteNZ:

I can see a NZ wide lock down coming.

Kiwi's themselves aren't always Covid-19 scanning when going about there business and now by asking nicely we expect Australian tourists to do the same?

We've seen in the past people not displaying symptoms until day 13 or later, so in theory a NZer could be in Sydney for the weekend, and then bring it back unknown to them, and then spread it, or an Australian could come in for the weekend and do the same.

Also, with travel being able to be from 19 April, that is the beginning of the NZ school holidays.

I get NZ businesses are hurting, but until a vaccine has been rolled out en masse, is this bubble a good idea?

Australians are already conditioned to scan everywhere there's a barcode. In every single state, it is a legal requirement to scan into venues. $266 fine in most states for non-compliance if caught by police or health authorities.

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#2689474 8-Apr-2021 17:30

Kyanar:

WyleECoyoteNZ:

I can see a NZ wide lock down coming.

Kiwi's themselves aren't always Covid-19 scanning when going about there business and now by asking nicely we expect Australian tourists to do the same?

We've seen in the past people not displaying symptoms until day 13 or later, so in theory a NZer could be in Sydney for the weekend, and then bring it back unknown to them, and then spread it, or an Australian could come in for the weekend and do the same.

Also, with travel being able to be from 19 April, that is the beginning of the NZ school holidays.

I get NZ businesses are hurting, but until a vaccine has been rolled out en masse, is this bubble a good idea?

Australians are already conditioned to scan everywhere there's a barcode. In every single state, it is a legal requirement to scan into venues. $266 fine in most states for non-compliance if caught by police or health authorities.

No it isn't. Queensland will only make it compulsory from May. The most recent reports I have seen suggest 4 million downloads in NSW. With a population of 8 million it's hardly all Australians. I'd expect the use of scanning to be similarly poor, just as it is everywhere in the world.

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#2689480 8-Apr-2021 17:52

Some people will be going with parents or not have phones?

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#2689488 8-Apr-2021 18:08

Handle9:

No it isn't.

Yes it is.

Queensland will only make it compulsory from May. The most recent reports I have seen suggest 4 million downloads in NSW. With a population of 8 million it's hardly all Australians. I'd expect the use of scanning to be similarly poor, just as it is everywhere in the world.

And you'd be wrong. Queensland is only cracking the ****s with the billion different solutions proliferating, and mandating a specific app from 1 May. It is still legally required to scan into venues, just as it always has been. Currently, venues are allowed to choose to use the government provided apps, or to roll their own or contract their own - hence the ridiculous situation currently where in a contact tracing situation Health has to go to the venues and ask for their list, and the venue has to go to GuestHQ, or PaperForm, or SafeVisit, or their Excel spreadsheet, or whatever solution they use and ask for the data, and it's just all around a slow and inconsistent process.

For the existing (barring state government supplied apps) contact tracing solutions, they're typically browser based. I particularly hate PaperForm, which doesn't save your details so you have to retype them every time.

I also find it unlikely that NSW only has four million downloads of Service NSW, their integrated app which is used for everything from digital driver's licenses to fines and demerit points to car regos to working with children checks.

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#2689492 8-Apr-2021 18:12

wellygary:

Looks like Auckland are testing skipping baggage claim for red zones entirely,

Not sure how this works for MPI and customs inspections thou... or is it now open slather on bringing in Tax free Ciggies and Booze....

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/440051/passengers-get-baggage-taken-to-miq-hotels-in-pre-bubble-trial

You'd still have to do a declaration and the cards can be checked by MPI and customs. Given the low numbers from red zone it'd be relatively easy to screen all the baggage through x-ray on arrival if that was determined necessary.

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#2689545 8-Apr-2021 19:16

Geektastic: Some people will be going with parents or not have phones?

Any compulsion around contact tracing is going to have to take account of people who don't have access to the necessary technology to scan QR codes.

I personally quite like the idea of people writing their details on a small card and then depositing it in a box as they enter the venue. That way their personal details are not exposed for all to see.

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#2690254 9-Apr-2021 23:52

WA joins TT bubble - was the only state not included.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/124798874/transtasman-bubble-western-australia-opens-its-doors-to-kiwis

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#2690255 9-Apr-2021 23:59

Trans-Tasman bubble loophole!

Will allow Australians to visit countries beyond New Zealand without getting permission to do so from the federal government's Border Force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/124792281/transtasman-bubble-the-new-zealand-loophole-that-benefits-australian-travellers

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#2692077 13-Apr-2021 15:08

DS248:

Trans-Tasman bubble loophole!

Will allow Australians to visit countries beyond New Zealand without getting permission to do so from the federal government's Border Force.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/124792281/transtasman-bubble-the-new-zealand-loophole-that-benefits-australian-travellers

And then have to apply for permission to return anyway, since they'll need to quarantine in either NZ or Australia at their own expense. This is not a loophole at all.

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