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#2501707 9-Jun-2020 19:41

Handle9:

I'm not sure how my personal circumstances influence this discussion other than your irrational need to attack people who disagree with you.

I am equally unsure why you have chosen to attack me in different threads for daring to venture an opinion you did not approve of. An example from a recent Sky discussion: "How many posts do you have trying to fix issues with your various bypasses of geoblocks and assorted devices?"

That comment was a purely personal attack that had nothing to do with the comment you were replying to. Apart from being entirely gratuitous and off topic, your remark was also entirely incorrect, which even you were forced to concede. As I pointed out then, I have never posted anything regarding "issues with various bypasses of geoblocks and assorted devices". I have posted several times regarding issues with streaming quality and buffering. For some unfathomable reason (an irrational need to attack people who disagree with you?), you have turned that into something else entirely.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

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#2501708 9-Jun-2020 19:43

Rikkitic:

Handle9:

I'm not sure how my personal circumstances influence this discussion other than your irrational need to attack people who disagree with you.

I am equally unsure why you have chosen to attack me in different threads for daring to venture an opinion you did not approve of. An example from a recent Sky discussion: "How many posts do you have trying to fix issues with your various bypasses of geoblocks and assorted devices?"

That comment was a purely personal attack that had nothing to do with the comment you were replying to. Apart from being entirely gratuitous and off topic, your remark was also entirely incorrect, which even you were forced to concede. As I pointed out then, I have never posted anything regarding "issues with various bypasses of geoblocks and assorted devices". I have posted several times regarding issues with streaming quality and buffering. For some unfathomable reason (an irrational need to attack people who disagree with you?), you have turned that into something else entirely.

If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

So there was no point. Thanks for confirming the value of your post.

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#2501731 9-Jun-2020 20:36

GV27:

We don't have recall elections, we can't force resignations for non-delivery. What we have is a government that has walked back on or failed to deliver on almost every key policy they set out before the election.

I do not believe we should live in a country where it is acceptable to make all sorts of promises to get elected and then be able to brush off accountability for not delivering, and I happen to feel particularly strong about that.

The last thing we want is to head down the road of BS recall elections and the like. A 3 year parliamentary term is already prone to lead to undesirable short-termism. And whose opinion on so called "non-delivery" should be considered definitive during the term in order to trigger any recall process? If the opposition can trigger it with a bare majority, then you might as well have elections. If you need a high threshold of citizens petitioning, you are just running lots of processes for nothing.

Generally speaking, the accountability occurs during each election campaign for a reason.

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#2501733 9-Jun-2020 20:42

dejadeadnz:

GV27:

We don't have recall elections, we can't force resignations for non-delivery. What we have is a government that has walked back on or failed to deliver on almost every key policy they set out before the election.

I do not believe we should live in a country where it is acceptable to make all sorts of promises to get elected and then be able to brush off accountability for not delivering, and I happen to feel particularly strong about that.

The last thing we want is to head down the road of BS recall elections and the like. A 3 year parliamentary term is already prone to lead to undesirable short-termism. And whose opinion on so called "non-delivery" should be considered definitive during the term in order to trigger any recall process? If the opposition can trigger it with a bare majority, then you might as well have elections. If you need a high threshold of citizens petitioning, you are just running lots of processes for nothing.

Generally speaking, the accountability occurs during each election campaign for a reason.

There is of course a recall process in NZ - a vote of no confidence.

As I understand it the point of recalls is to remove officials that can't be removed any other way (eg a governor).

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#2501739 9-Jun-2020 21:06

Handle9:

There is of course a recall process in NZ - a vote of no confidence.

Precisely. If a government can't survive the vote of confidence, we can head to an election. We just don't need any more BS processes built on top.

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#2502253 10-Jun-2020 14:41

The government was always going to struggle with Kiwibuild due to the cost of land.

I don't just look at whether the current government have failed, I look at whether the opposition would have done any better.

Going by the 9 years they were in, they probably wouldn't have even cared about this as lots of the MP's & National voters were doing well out of it.

It's easy to deliver when you're National as you just promise a road or two /s

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#2502788 11-Jun-2020 10:34

On2or3wheels:

I don't just look at whether the current government have failed, I look at whether the opposition would have done any better.

Going by the 9 years they were in, they probably wouldn't have even cared about this as lots of the MP's & National voters were doing well out of it.

The SHA Axis housing programmes delivered more houses than Kiwibuild did for the first two years. The ballots are still going on, if you'd like to enter one:

https://axisseries.co.nz/

It doesn't fit in with the 'did literally nothing' meme but come what may.

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#2502792 11-Jun-2020 10:40

On2or3wheels:

It's easy to deliver when you're National as you just promise a road or two /s

You understand the current Government talked about how bad roads were, put in a(nother) committee, spent a bucket load, which drew the conclusion that most of the roads were actually needed and will build them anyway?

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#2503034 11-Jun-2020 15:55

Narratives go both ways. National seems to have piped down about committees for a reason.

But the State Services Commission puts the number at 103. (See its full list below)

It says 55 of those have now been finished, while the Government will go into election year with 48 still going – including 19 that are designated as part of the core work of public agencies, such as regular reviews of laws.

Another two reviews are already also slated to start in 2020.

By comparison, the previous National Government launched 113 reviews by the middle of 2010 – roughly half way through its second year in Government, according the party’s own count.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12296223

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#2503144 11-Jun-2020 18:09

Its a start for a long ailing health system

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300031193/211m-for-counties-manukau-dhbs-super-clinic-outpatient-services-new-theatres

Not massive, but a step forward

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#2503145 11-Jun-2020 18:14

An example of a new and innovative idea, now being quietly back tracked. There is no monopoly on mistakes

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300032076/national-backtracks-on-strike-force-raptor-police-unit-plans

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#2503230 11-Jun-2020 21:03

networkn:

You understand the current Government talked about how bad roads were, put in a(nother) committee, spent a bucket load, which drew the conclusion that most of the roads were actually needed and will build them anyway?

I thought they were mostly just doing safety improvements here & there.

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#2508584 20-Jun-2020 09:39

Apparently Muller's people couldn't open a safe they had the codes for, so they called in a safecracker! Is this the new National fix? Brute force as the first resort?

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#2508615 20-Jun-2020 11:00

Rikkitic:

Apparently Muller's people couldn't open a safe they had the codes for, so they called in a safecracker! Is this the new National fix? Brute force as the first resort?

The devil is in the detail at the and of the article, where Gray admits that the safe was sensitive and sometimes required 'mulitple goes' (presumably to enterr the c odes and get it open). Regardless the safe was replaced by Parliamentary Serivices. Another media beatup using a storm in a teacup.

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#2508631 20-Jun-2020 11:31

OldGeek:

Regardless the safe was replaced by Parliamentary Serivices. Another media beatup using a storm in a teacup.

In other words, the safe was replaced by the taxpayer. Why bother actually opening something when you can just break it instead and have it replaced at no cost to you?

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