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What this whole sorry episode has demonstrated, is that the system in America is hopelessly broken on many levels. It depends entirely on good faith politicians respecting tradition. As soon as a bad faith one comes along, there are no legal mechanisms to cope with abuses. This is a huge failing, just like the electoral college itself. There need to be clear procedures to prevent the kinds of things Trump has done, and to make it easy to neutralise his excesses.

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Another Downfall parody, just posted

I'm amazed there hasn't been one of Hitler losing access to his Twitter account, it's the perfect subject material but there's nothing there, or at least nothing readily findable.

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Rikkitic: What this whole sorry episode has demonstrated, is that the system in America is hopelessly broken on many levels. It depends entirely on good faith politicians respecting tradition. As soon as a bad faith one comes along, there are no legal mechanisms to cope with abuses. ...

The Washington Post - The riot happened because the Senate acquitted Trump

By Norman Eisen

Norman Eisen was a special counsel for the House Judiciary Committee for the impeachment and trial of Donald Trump.

There was a terrible paradox in the images of Republican members of Congress driven into safe rooms by insurrectionists whom President Trump had whipped into a frenzy.

[During Trump’s impeachment in early 2020] Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.), the House Judiciary Committee chairman, warned that:

“President Trump has made clear in word and deed that he will persist in such conduct if he is not removed from power. He poses a continuing threat to our nation, to the integrity of our elections and to our democratic order. He must not remain in power one moment longer.”

This last week’s events - and indeed all the president’s abuses during this election cycle and the last year - are a consequence of their refusal to convict him in his impeachment trial.

With the sole exception of Sen. Mitt Romney (Utah), not a single Republican in the Senate or the House would recognize the threat then.

On the contrary. Sen. Susan Collins (Maine) went so far as to say: “I believe that the president has learned from this case. The president has been impeached. That’s a pretty big lesson.”

Yes, Trump did learn a lesson: He learned that he can abuse his power and obstruct the investigation of that abuse, and get away unscathed to commit more high crimes and misdemeanors. ...

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#2633259 10-Jan-2021 20:37

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the Republicans have shown that to hold support you just need to violently oppose everything, no viable plan for anything worthwhile, build a wall, deny climate change, blame blame blame someone else.

And that's the problem in the US, people don't vote for party policies, they vote against hot-button issues. The far right are world experts in manufacturing hot-button issues like the War on Christmas and Late-term Abortions and Cancel Culture and a million other things, some just totally fictitious ("late-term abortions" in particular was a genius move by the US anti-abortion movement), some a major distortion of the truth, all of which are used to represent the other side. When Joe Sixpack votes for Trump he's not voting for Trump's policies, he's voting against the fact that he heard a rumour that someone got publicly shamed for using the incorrect personal pronoun which is part of the radical left's agenda to (I don't know enough of this junk to continue but you get the idea), and a vote for Trump is a vote against that. "Here is an imaginary hot-button which is what the Democrats stand for, a vote for Trump is a vote against that".

How many people here have voted for a particular party based mostly on a single hot-button issue, or where a hot-button was the deciding issue between voting for A or voting for B?

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#2633265 10-Jan-2021 21:08

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This history highlights how the real risk to American democracy came hours after order had been restored in the U.S. Capitol [..]

It's actually a lot less clear than that. Germany in the 1920s had no experience with democracy, only centuries of being drilled with obedience to authority. There had been several minor civil wars in different states a few years earlier, which led to left-wing governments being suppressed by right-wing reactionary forces, mostly Freikorps, implicitly encouraged and supported by the Entente Powers who didn't want Bolshevist governments in the German states. Hitler's home state had been the Bavarian Soviet Republic only a few years beforehand. The left and right held regular pitched street battles, not so much over politics but more in the sense of football hooligans in the UK, something to fight about. Some of these battles, e.g. the Altona Bloody Sunday, were used as pretexts for things like the coup whereby the government of the largest German state, Prussia, was swept aside. The lack of the authoritarian leadership that they were used to combined with the weakness of this newfangled democracy thing was what helped bring Hitler to power.

The US today is a very different environment to 1920s/early-1930s Germany.

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The Guardian - Trump impeachment looms as Republicans ponder his fate

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Efforts to remove Donald Trump from the White House gathered pace on Saturday, as Democrats announced that at least 180 members of Congress would co-sponsor an article of impeachment they intend to introduce in the House of Representatives on Monday.

The show of force by the president’s opponents comes amid continuing revulsion at Trump’s incitement of Wednesday’s deadly US Capitol riot and his attempts to overturn electoral defeat by Joe Biden.

One of the authors of the impeachment resolution, the California congressman Ted Lieu, repeated demands for Trump to resign or face the ignominy of being the first president to be impeached twice.

On Twitter, Lieu announced that the vast majority of the 222 Democratic House members were onboard for impeachment, and revealed a letter to the New York state bar demanding the disbarment of Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani, who advocated “trial by combat” at a rally preceding the violent invasion of the US Capitol building by a mob of Trump supporters. ...

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Jim Gaffigan Explains MAGA Madness as a Fable

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James Corden connects with comedian and author Jim Gaffigan on a strange day in the United States, and the two talk about the challenge of explaining an attempted coup and everything that lead up to it to their children, and Jim shares how he's capturing it in the style of a children's book. And the "Linoleum" star shares how he's waiting to see more courage from public servants

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#2633278 10-Jan-2021 21:36

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He seems to think private companies shouldn't have the power on deciding who can use their services, and it should be left to law makers.

The Retrumplicans got exactly what they asked for. Their conservative judges ruled that it was OK for a bakery to refuse to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, for pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for abortifacient drugs, and so on. That means it's also OK for a messaging service to refuse to carry the messages of an orange clown. You asked for it, you go it.

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The following isn't a major story.

But it shows how local news is treating the traitors returning from DC. "What happens in DC didn't stay in DC."

Even in the conservative Deep South, minor players are returning as the most hated people in their neighborhoods, facing serious prison time.

Did Trump make them hate, or did they always hate and Trump just served to focus their hatred?

More details on Atlanta-area man arrested after Capitol riots

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11Alive is gathering more details about Cleveland Meredith Jr., one of a handful of Georgians arrested in connection with the riots on Wednesday.

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#2633282 10-Jan-2021 21:46

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#2633291 10-Jan-2021 22:13

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So could he really pardon these people.

So federal law is international ??

The president's pardon power is limited to federal offenses; the Constitution only grants the president the power to pardon "[o]ffenses against the United States."[6] An offense that violates state law, but not federal law, is an offense against that state rather than an offense against the United States.

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#2633294 10-Jan-2021 22:41

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Is this true if impeached and convicted?

Also, nice perks. Another Trump win at someone else's cost.

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gzt:

Is this true if impeached and convicted?

Also, nice perks. Another Trump win at someone else's cost.

One would bloody hope so.

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